When i first saw the lord of the rings i was stunned by the actors performances, the setting, the music, the whole film!!! i couldn't get enough of it, even until today. Also i just wanted to add that alot of people like frodo and legolas, there has been so much competition between the two. I'm a legolas fan, do you agree with me that legolas is better than frodo? if so... then you are cool my friend if not... shame on you...

Helen, you've got it all wrong... everyone knows frodo is sooo much better than legolas! I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that one. There is just something about legolas that makes him look like a girl, but frodo is... just the best!!!

First of all, this is a film score message board, not an actor fan site. Secondly, you could at least offer some kind of intelligent comment on characters or the quality of the acting, or at least something less insulting to the rest of us. Thirdly, how can you two be enthusing about Frodo and Legolas when the far more sexy Aragorn (and here I'm talking about the character and the actor as one) is right there for the taking?! At least he can do something manly when things turn nasty rather than just camping it up with a line like, 'What's the meaning of this?' or demonstrating some new kind of cat-like manoeuvre. Though Elijah Wood is still eminently worth keeping as many eyes on as possible.

Yours in slight bemusement,

Chris.

This is weird...

theres a legolas lover, a frodo lover and a stider lover... what is wrong with you people!!! have you forgotten about SAM? The thing his character has, is intelligence. He might now be as good looking as the others, but he is far more talented and atleast he knows how to act without looking like a complete idiot. The movie was great, and SAM made it all worth watching, with his talent the lord of the rings would have to be one of the top movies of all time.

Melanie

> have you forgotten about SAM? The thing his character
> has, is intelligence. He might now be as good looking as the others, but
> he is far more talented and atleast he knows how to act without looking
> like a complete idiot.

Yes, you're quite right that Sam has the edge over Frodo, but I wouldn't put that down to greater intelligence as such. Consider his pathetic excuse for 'dropping eaves' or his stunning revelation 'I take one more step, it would be the farthest away from home I've ever been'. He doesn't act like a complete idiot but that's more because he's not quite bright enough to think to act anything other than normal. So ironically he ends up looking less stupid than Frodo as a result of being more stupid. If you see what I mean.

And I might just take this opportunity to point out once again that Aragorn is far and away the most desireable member of the Fellowship. Followed by Frodo, though he's quite a way behind.

Chris.

considering that none of us will agree on who's the better member, i just have to say a few things. I respect that some people think legolas is a girl, or frodo is an idiot, or sam is intelligent, or Aragorn is good looking. Seems to me like we are very opinionated... they all do have good qualities if you really think hard enough. I have to agree about sam's intelligence and aragorns manliness. All i'm saying is that, all these characters are excellent once they are put together, they did blend in perfectly in the movie didn't they? That's probably what the director was going for, different personalities. Puts alot more interest to the story i guess.

-helen

couldn't help reading your fascinating little conversation and i wondered...do you realise that the director invented neither story nor characters??he may have made fantastic decisions with the cast and really done the best job anyone can do, but he DIDN'T blend the characters, he could hardly leave any out!if you haven't read the book, i suggest you do, if only to gain a real insight into the charcacters you've shoved into categories.
-becca
(p.s.having met Billy Boyd who plays Pippin i'd like to say don't forget him either, he's a lovely guy and a talented actor!:))

This conversation has been a very interesting read. There are a lot of things I could say but I guess I'll just say this:
1. Sam is undoubtedly the hero of LOTR (if you read the books) and he is definitely smarter than he looks. He is by far my favourite character.
2. Becca, I agree with what you said about Billy!

okay, I'd just like to point out what Kong said earlier...
This is a FILM MUSIC site, go somewhere else to talk about the actors, this is the place you talk about the MUSIC.

i sumhow managed to stumble across this site and in particular, this conversation, and i have to say that i its ridiculous how out of hand the conversation got (all starting with KONG, of course).

i definately agree with Nixon. if ur this passionate about the actors and plots in LOTR then y dont u meet and have a debate or summit. this site is so you can start talkin bout MUSIC.

anyway...i thought the score for all three movies was fantastic, it's just lovely to put on as background music (especially the first one). i dont think that Howard Shore or Enya could have done a better job as i thought it envoked just the right emotion at the point of the movie it was played at, whether it was supposed to be fear (when theyre surrounded by orcs in moria), shock (when we think Frodo is dead, also in Moria), sadness (when Gandalf falls)or love (when Aragorn and Arwan meet on the bridge in rivendell).

(and i dont think that bajo's woud have managed to achieve this effect, no matter how funny you, and others, think homosexuel hobbits seem)

> couldn't help reading your fascinating little conversation and i
> wondered...do you realise that the director invented neither story nor
> characters??he may have made fantastic decisions with the cast and really
> done the best job anyone can do, but he DIDN'T blend the characters, he
> could hardly leave any out!if you haven't read the book, i suggest you do,
> if only to gain a real insight into the charcacters you've shoved into
> categories.
-becca
(p.s.having met Billy Boyd who plays Pippin i'd
> like to say don't forget him either, he's a lovely guy and a talented
> actor!:))

well... i must say you do have a point, however if you DID read the book, you would notice that it isn't exactly the same as the movie... so the writers and directors did have alot to do with the characters personality slightly changing, ever so slightly... to make them blend even more, and to entertain the viewers even more. When you said "he may have made fantastic decisions with the cast and really done the best job anyone can do, but he DIDN'T blend the characters" that is really not possible that he DIDN'T blend the characters... because he chose them, he knew they would fit perfectly together, just how it is in Tolkien's book, so basically he knew what he was doing, he knew he had to get cast members who blend together, and his plan worked like a charm. If you misunderstood me, that's all i ment. And i agree Billy Boyd is a talented actor.

Very sorry, you're obviously not lost and i see what you mean now(it hasn't taken me a week to work it out, i just forgot i'd posted!) and you're right, he did adapt personalities and relationships for our benefit, and they were pretty much all good!I hope that the Gimli-Legolas relationship develops as it should in the next movies but for now let's just quietly worship PJ and his work.;)
-Becca
(thanks Beth, go Billy!! Yep you could say Sam is the hero, though they all have their moments don't they e.g. Merry vs. witchking)

> Yes, you're quite right that Sam has the edge over Frodo, but I wouldn't
> put that down to greater intelligence as such. Consider his pathetic
> excuse for 'dropping eaves' or his stunning revelation 'I take one more
> step, it would be the farthest away from home I've ever been'. He doesn't
> act like a complete idiot but that's more because he's not quite bright
> enough to think to act anything other than normal. So ironically he ends
> up looking less stupid than Frodo as a result of being more stupid. If you
> see what I mean.

> And I might just take this opportunity to point out once again that
> Aragorn is far and away the most desireable member of the Fellowship.
> Followed by Frodo, though he's quite a way behind.

> Chris.

Hey, buddy. I find it very interesting that you claim to detest the discussion of who the "best" characters are in the movie and then take up the conversation yourself. The two would seem to contradict each other.

Dan

> Helen, you've got it all wrong... everyone knows frodo is sooo much better
> than legolas! I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that one. There is just
> something about legolas that makes him look like a girl, but frodo is...
> just the best!!!

If this was an actor fan site, I would not intrude upon your pathetic display of pre-adolescent fantasy. But this is a FILM MUSIC site, not an actor fan site, and due to your apparent lack of attention to the content of this site, I will proceed by stating the following:

You two are obviously one and the same. You are over-nourished and over-priviledged little brats who dream of the day when you can grow into somewhat average looking teenagers and use your desirable female forms to lure and tease men who you think resemble the actors from The Lord of the Rings. The actors, of course, are using their fame and fortune to acquire physical pleasure from dozens, if not hundreds of nubile and willing young females. But your chances of actually meeting and fornicating with either of the actors you are arguing about is nil, and therefore makes your discussion about which one is "more cute" completely irrelevant.

Never in your lifetimes will you have both actors standing naked and erect in front of you, with your choice of which pony to ride and which to shun, and you will most likely end up sleeping with an average, unshaven, sleezy young brute in the 18 - 24 age range who, without a doubt, is an idiot and has an only marginally sized penis. Please, if your tiny brains can comprehend this message: Stop wasting your time fantasizing about growing up and screwing some distant actor and DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE WITH YOUR TIME AND LIFE.

Besides, everyone knows that the Hobbits were all engaging in mass inbreeding and homosexual cluster fornication. Howard Shore would have been wise to employ dueling banjos in his score for the motion picture.

hello,
I read you comment, i all i can say is that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I do not fantisice over actors, nor to i intend on sleeping with actor look-alikes, i have my morals and i respect my body, unlike some people. Obviously for you to think of these ridiculous comments, means you are quite a horny freak who spends a lifetime on the computer thinking of insulting things to say to children. Well sorry for letting your hopes down, but you didn't insult me one bit, and i'm not a child. And by any chance did i mension i was a teenager? no, i didn't. So you and you're pathetic mind assumed it all didn't you? all you did was assume, you assumed i'm ugly, you assume i am a whore, and you assumed i am a desperate little girl. Did i ever say "oh, yes it's my dream to sleep with legolas!!!" You don't know one thing about me, so don't talk like you know my personality or what actions i intend on performing. I'm not going to insult you, simply because i don't know you. But all i can say is, if you 'assumed' i was a teenager, why on earth would you be saying irrelevant things like that to a young girl? And why is it any of your buisness about me being fond of an actor. You seem like the only one who has been critically disturbed from my comment, i'm simply giving the audience my opinion, if you're not interested, don't read my comment, no one is forcing you too. And what do you mean by; DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE WITH YOUR TIME AND LIFE, i wonder what you've accomplished? Seriously, do you own this site? If you did, then i would acually apologise for stating my opinion on an actor, but since you're not, it's none of your buisness. So go back to typing your things, and leave so called 'little girls' alone.

-Helen

Is it just because I'm male that I don't get to share the full force of your entertaining little rant? I'd hate to think you were being sexist. Guys too can waste their overprivileged lives yearning after hunky actors 24/7 as Helen and Lisa clearly do. Or maybe you're secretly after Aragorn too...

Chris.

I would definately have to agree with Chris, he does make a point about you being sexist. And i would most definately agree with Helen about you 'assuming' every detail of the lifes of us two. I don't know Helen, but i'm sure she clearly isn't what you made her up to be. But you, you weren't even involved in this topic, so stay out and stop critising others.

-Lisa

The only reason I ranted against you and your idiotic posts is because this is a FILM MUSIC site and your discussion has nothing to do with FILM MUSIC. My post was intended to be deleted along with all of yours whenever Filmtracks gets around to discovering your childish conversation and DELETE it.

While I'm at it, another indication that you have no life is the fact that some of you keep posting from the same IP address, meaning that you are either a) the same mentally unstable person or b) two hapless people in front of the same computer having a conversation with yourselves on a site that doesn't allow what you're talking about.

Either way, it's pretty pathetic... Especially on a FILM MUSIC site.

You are REALLY mean. *humph* *glares* *humph* If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Just out of interest, who has more 'life': the person who gets in touch with other people about things that interest them, or the person who acts all superior, calls them names - and reads IP addresses?!

Chris.

thanks chris, i'm becoming extremely fond of you right now

So, you think you've figured us out smarty pants... and no we are not the same people (think i'm that insane...) we are roomates dumbass... on different computers... dumbass.... so... just go back to you're life and once again mind your own buisenss dumbass

Respond to a fool in his element and become a fool yourself. Just a vague version of a verse from proverbs.

> The only reason I ranted against you and your idiotic posts is because
> this is a FILM MUSIC site and your discussion has nothing to do with FILM
> MUSIC. My post was intended to be deleted along with all of yours whenever
> Filmtracks gets around to discovering your childish conversation and
> DELETE it.

> While I'm at it, another indication that you have no life is the fact that
> some of you keep posting from the same IP address, meaning that you are
> either a) the same mentally unstable person or b) two hapless people in
> front of the same computer having a conversation with yourselves on a site
> that doesn't allow what you're talking about.

> Either way, it's pretty pathetic... Especially on a FILM MUSIC site.

You anger me, sir. I completely understand the irritation with having to read what seem to be actor fan site discussions on a movie music review site, but your response was totally uncalled for, vulgar, and ridiculous. Read the rules of the site and try to stay within them next time you post. And quit trying to act like you're God's gift to this site, sent down to exact judgement or something like that. People like you leave a bitter taste in my mouth.

And all of you who are encouraging him, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Dan

Kong, I agree with you that "which actor is cuter" discussion should not be discussed on a site like this, but honestly, the details you went into... "neither of them will be standing naked and erect in front of you" and so on. Where the hell did that come from? Seriously, you need to use discretion; you can tell them off for discussing matters of "who's cuter" on this site, but you have absoloutely no right whatsoever to say things like "you will most likely end up sleeping with an average, unshaven, sleezy
young brute in the 18 - 24 age range who, without a doubt, is an idiot and
has an only marginally sized penis." Those comments were extremely more immature than either of the girls were, and you need to grow up. And what was with this homosexual hobbit thing? Get a life pal.

I disagree. That girl KONG, as weird as she might be, knows how to exaggerate dumb things to make other people's dumb comments seem even dumber. I like KONG because she is so off the wall that exposes other people as idiots by pretending to be the worst of them.

The thing she said about homosexual hobbits had to be the funniest line I have read in years. Talk about the hobbits being homosexual is not uncommon, but thinking to use dueling banjos in the musical score for LOTR is hysterical! I'm not sure what exactly cluster fornication is, but it gets the point across.

Keep going, KONG!

> Kong, I agree with you that "which actor is cuter" discussion
> should not be discussed on a site like this, but honestly, the details you
> went into... "neither of them will be standing naked and erect in
> front of you" and so on. Where the hell did that come from?
> Seriously, you need to use discretion; you can tell them off for
> discussing matters of "who's cuter" on this site, but you have
> absoloutely no right whatsoever to say things like "you will most
> likely end up sleeping with an average, unshaven, sleezy
young brute
> in the 18 - 24 age range who, without a doubt, is an idiot and
has an
> only marginally sized penis." Those comments were extremely more
> immature than either of the girls were, and you need to grow up. And what
> was with this homosexual hobbit thing? Get a life pal.

We PLEAD with Filmtracks.com to please remove this extremely offensive comment! Please!

> If this was an actor fan site, I would not intrude upon your pathetic
> display of pre-adolescent fantasy. But this is a FILM MUSIC site, not an
> actor fan site, and due to your apparent lack of attention to the content
> of this site, I will proceed by stating the following:

> You two are obviously one and the same. You are over-nourished and
> over-priviledged little brats who dream of the day when you can grow into
> somewhat average looking teenagers and use your desirable female forms to
> lure and tease men who you think resemble the actors from The Lord of the
> Rings. The actors, of course, are using their fame and fortune to acquire
> physical pleasure from dozens, if not hundreds of nubile and willing young
> females. But your chances of actually meeting and fornicating with either
> of the actors you are arguing about is nil, and therefore makes your
> discussion about which one is "more cute" completely irrelevant.

> Never in your lifetimes will you have both actors standing naked and erect
> in front of you, with your choice of which pony to ride and which to shun,
> and you will most likely end up sleeping with an average, unshaven, sleezy
> young brute in the 18 - 24 age range who, without a doubt, is an idiot and
> has an only marginally sized penis. Please, if your tiny brains can
> comprehend this message: Stop wasting your time fantasizing about growing
> up and screwing some distant actor and DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE WITH YOUR
> TIME AND LIFE.

> Besides, everyone knows that the Hobbits were all engaging in mass
> inbreeding and homosexual cluster fornication. Howard Shore would have
> been wise employ dueling banjos in his score for the motion picture.

> When i first saw the lord of the rings i was stunned by the actors
> performances, the setting, the music, the whole film!!! i couldn't get
> enough of it, even until today. Also i just wanted to add that alot of
> people like frodo and legolas, there has been so much competition between
> the two. I'm a legolas fan, do you agree with me that legolas is better
> than frodo? if so... then you are cool my friend if not... shame on
> you...

I do! I do! I do! He is so much better. Just thought you might care to know. ;b hehe