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Comments about the soundtrack for The Passion of the Christ (John Debney)
Christians have no chance of understanding Clemmensen's point

Dan Moore
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Fraley
Christians have no chance of understanding Clemmensen's point   Monday, February 23, 2004 (7:40 a.m.) 

Clemmensen's point about Passion of Christ being 'good music that's hard to enjoy' is exactly like what happened with Schindler's List. If you know the context, the music is hard to enjoy. How can you not picture the bloody murder of Jesus when listening to Passion of Christ and knowing the film it is from?

Christians say that the crucifixion is not a horrible thing to associate with a piece of music, but they are simply... being Christians. Their faith clouds their judgement so that they can't possibly understand or appreciate how this score could bother somebody who is offended by Christian religion in the first place.

The sound clips make Debney's score sound orgasmic in its Christian totality.



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Fraley
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Quinn
Terry Barton
Re: Christians have no chance of understanding Clemmensen's point   Monday, February 23, 2004 (8:58 a.m.) 

Or perhaps it is your lack of faith that clouds your judgement? It is impossible to separate the death of Christ from the very reason for it, which is salvation and forgiveness. That's like turning off the movie before watching the final scene -- you end up missing the point.

Anyway, religion is very much a topic defined entirely by our point of view. Since there isn't really a scientific, factual version of the story (if there was, it wouldn't be called "faith"), it all comes down to either you believe or you don't. Either way, your judgement is clouded by your own preconception, Christian or not.

Everyone in life sees the world through their own colored lense. We need to try and remember that, and not paint people into a corner simply because they have a different perspective.

Mind you, some people appear to be looking at the world through an opaque lense upon which they have painted their own version of the world which has no relation to reality at all...

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Quinn
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Fraley

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Jonathan H
Dani
Re: Christians have no chance of understanding Clemmensen's point   Monday, February 23, 2004 (1:08 p.m.) 

> Everyone in life sees the world through their own colored lense. We need
> to try and remember that, and not paint people into a corner simply
> because they have a different perspective.

No, by your analogy, Filmtracks.com views the world with the lense cap still on.

The editor and his "wife" are lost sinners and they have no right to comment about the music for The Passion.



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Jonathan H
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Quinn
Sick & Tired   Monday, February 23, 2004 (2:36 p.m.) 

> No, by your analogy, Filmtracks.com views the world with the lense cap
> still on.

> The editor and his "wife" are lost sinners and they have no
> right to comment about the music for The Passion.

Take it from another Christian - don't fall into a double standard by trying to dictate what others have rights to do. You don't have the authority to do so, and it simply makes you and other Christians look unreasonable.

If you truly believe that you must be a Christian in order to be able to comment about music for a Christian film, then you probably shouldn't be listening to (and possibly commenting on) soundtracks for secular movies - after all, you're a Christian, and Christians wouldn't understand that perspective by your reasoning.

Personally, as a Christian, I'm sick and tired of two things with this film:

1) I'm sick & tired of the entire Christian community trying to back this film as a propaganda tool. The same goes for any movie or book that tries to focus on a single piece of biblical history. Jesus' crucifixion alone has little or no meaning to unbelievers without the story of his life, and anyone converted over to Christianity by this single event is going to run into some serious issues when confronted about their faith. It's just not a very good starting point, but the whole Bible belt is pushing it like it's the end-all gospel.

2) I'm sick & tired of all the talk about the anti-Semitism of this film. Yes, the Jews were among those responsible for his death, and it was a horrific method of death. However, as time passes, there should be a disassociation that grows to the point where the people of today realize that today's Jews are not the same people from before. So stop being so sensitive. There are a ton of other problems to be sensitive about - this should not be a priority like it is.

I'm also sick and tired of Christians who can't think for themselves and simply repeat whatever "review" comes out of Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, or Pat Robertson's ungodly mouths. Especially when they claim that God has told them something that fits conveniently into their own agenda, and then when they need to change what they've said, they just shrug it off. To me, that's a MUCH bigger "taking God's name in vain" offense than just blurting out "Oh my God" or something (even though that's wrong, too). Not only is that person saying something that isn't true, they're claiming to be representatives of God, and I truly hope they are held accountable on Judgment Day for that.

- Jonathan


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Dani
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  In Response to:
Quinn
Judge not, lest ye be judged...   Thursday, February 26, 2004 (10:19 a.m.) 

> No, by your analogy, Filmtracks.com views the world with the lense cap
> still on.

> The editor and his "wife" are lost sinners and they have no
> right to comment about the music for The Passion.

It's amazing how many false Christians get revealed when films like this come out. Maybe you missed the parts in the Bible about loving your neighbor, not judging, doing unto others... Maybe you also missed the part about us ALL being sinners. Guess what? Nobody cares! That's not what this site is for. It is called FILMTRACKS, so why don't you quit your biased personal attacks against the webmaster (and his wife FFS) and actually stay relevant to this site's reason for existance: FILM MUSIC. This isn't a friggin Christian convention, take your dogmatic spleen vents somewhere else.


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Terry Barton
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  In Response to:
Fraley
Re: Christians have no chance of understanding Clemmensen's point   Tuesday, August 3, 2004 (3:34 p.m.) 

> Or perhaps it is your lack of faith that clouds your judgement? It is
> impossible to separate the death of Christ from the very reason for it,
> which is salvation and forgiveness. That's like turning off the movie
> before watching the final scene -- you end up missing the point.

> Anyway, religion is very much a topic defined entirely by our point of
> view. Since there isn't really a scientific, factual version of the story
> (if there was, it wouldn't be called "faith"), it all comes down
> to either you believe or you don't. Either way, your judgement is clouded
> by your own preconception, Christian or not.

> Everyone in life sees the world through their own colored lense. We need
> to try and remember that, and not paint people into a corner simply
> because they have a different perspective.

> Mind you, some people appear to be looking at the world through an opaque
> lense upon which they have painted their own version of the world which
> has no relation to reality at all...

Gosh....can't we all just get along???

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