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Comments about the soundtrack for The Passion of the Christ (John Debney)

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Re: I love Jews!
• Posted by: Unimportant   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Thursday, December 9, 2004, at 8:11 a.m.
• IP Address: pcp01259690pcs.nhaven01.ct.comcast.net
• In Response to: Re: I love Jews! (Scorehound)

Hitler wasn't Jewish, you idiot. The fact that he was raised, in part, by a Jewish man has contributed to the speculation of many that his rabid anti-semitism might be traced to his childhood, but that sort of proto-Freudianism has never been very well backed up. The rise of nationalism in Europe during the 19th century often saw the Jewish people tagged an 'alien' presence, a bloodline not compatible with - and even detrimental to - the pure, tribal identities of the European peoples. See Marx' "On the Jewish Question," for an interesting example. And considering Hitler's roots in the German Workers' Party, later the National-So#####t party, you better believe he'd read Marx.

Furthermore, Vatican II wasn't designed as a response to the Holocaust, it was an attempt to modernize the church in light of waning membership. Along with the age-old curse on the Jews, Vatican II also declared all other Christians to be of the 'Body of Christ,' thus saving them from hell; it lifted the prohibition of meat on Fridays; and it ended the classical Latin mass, which nobody but nobody understood anymore.

And one more thing, in case you hadn't noticed, the assumption of collective Jewish guilt ("His blood be on us, and on our children") occurs in only ONE of the gospels, that of Matthew. Not even John - relatively speaking the most radical of the four, and the furthest removed from the life of Christ, historically - includes the curse. It doesn't appear in Mark who, of the four, was closest to the action, chronologically, and appears, magically, in much later texts.

As for your comments about the persecution of Christians, who, exactly, have we been persecuted by? The Romans? I'm sorry, but that argument just doesn't hold up. Meanwhile, we've got the Inquisition, the Bauernkriege and every other conflict surrounding the Reformation, and the brutal colonization of the Americas on our conscience. Reading scripture is fine, but if you don't know your history, you don't know your faith.

> The problem I have with the Jewish community is not the death of Christ or
> any nonsense like that. It is the fact that any black spot on their record
> they want to shove under the table and forget it ever happened. They were
> persecuted all throught their history, yet they have been guilty of
> persecution themselves. They come off as innocent and the victims all of
> the time, when they hardly ever jump to defend any other faith from abuse.
> It is okay for people to harass Gibson's family, call him an anti-Semite,
> call him a racist, tell the world to avoid the film because of Gibson's
> father...they should back off and let people decide for themselves what
> they will do and stop attacking things in Gibson's life that have nothing
> to do with the film.

> Gibson rejects Vatican II, for those of you who do not know what it is, it
> was a agreement made with the church that removed any guilt or blame
> agaisnt the Jews for the death of Jesus, among other things. It came about
> because of pressure from the holocaust and the suffering of the Jews under
> the Jewish madman Adolf Hitler...

> BUT HERE IS SOMETHING INTERESTING::: "I know the blasphemy of those
> who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan." Rev
> 2:9 --- when I read that is sounds a bit like Adolf Hitler.

> Anyway,

> I understand that the Jews have suffered, but so has Christianity. For
> 2,000 years ancient Christians persecuted people by the hundreds of
> thousands, and many innocent people were killed. But Christianity has to
> looka that and move on. You can't shove your past under the table...it
> will come back to bite you.




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