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Comments about the soundtrack for Pirates of the Caribbean (Klaus Badelt and co.)

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Re: The TRUE review for this movie
• Posted by: Kiddo
• Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2006, at 5:51 p.m.
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• In Response to: The TRUE review for this movie (David J B)

Good review. I must add that the director purposely did make the movie "dark" but it was Jerry Bruckheimer who demanded MV come in to score the movie. The director was aiming for a grand, orchestral score.

> For anyone who wants a review that isn't so rediculously biased to several
> unfair points and elements, please read THIS review instead.

> First off, in my opinion, I believe that the reviewer gave this score a
> horribly bitter review because he likely had a problem with this score
> swaying too far from the 'swash-buckling' pirate identity that has well
> been established itself in past films, and the fact that Zimmer's crew was
> picked to score the film instead of someone who could better measure up to
> the reviewers image of what a pirate film score could/should be like Alan
> Silvestr. Regardless of the fact that Pirates of the Carribbean was based
> off the DisneyLand ride, the same pirate extension of music couldn't work
> for this movie.

> The director clearly wanted this movie to lean closer to a more
> realistically historic darker, grottier visual on the pirates of the
> spanish main. The generic Peter-Pan, "YO-HO"
> "Avast-ye-Matey" style [although it fits closer to the past
> 'swash-buckling' pirate movie style] WOULD NOT WORK in the context of this
> cinema. The style wouldn't match the cinematography. With that said, that
> type "real pirate score" would throw off the character of the
> entire movie. Even if the artists at Media Ventures had took a ride on the
> original POTC ride, it wouldn't have helped them much in this particular
> movie. For the record, I enjoyed the score. Every cue fit the emotion
> portrayed on screen. If a score can do that then as far as I'm concerned,
> 'mission accomplished'. If they were out to create the perfect modernized
> theme for the DisneyLand ride then of course they were off. Luckily, they
> were instead trying to write a score for a modern feature film.

> I cant disagree that it's much wiser to create a score with eight artist.
> In fact, I'm confused why anyone would even bother doing such a thing. For
> one, it will provide almost certain inconsistancies, a conflict in ideas,
> and a generally confusing overtone. Not to mention, it's likely more
> expensive than having just one architect of the entire score. With one
> artist you know that the style of composition remains the same throughout.
> For what it's worth, they did their best trying to mask the fact that each
> composer strained to supress their own musical voice to accomidate
> consistancy. What a horrible score to work on though. I would NOT want to
> be involved in a score like that - being forced to try to write like Hanz
> Zimmer to produce a score with 7 other artists. That would be wild :o . In
> any case, they did a good job either way. The "Main Theme" was
> easy enough to identify although there were several cases where needless
> 'alternative' themes [themes that really don't go to anything else, no
> characters or situations, other than that particular scene] that seemed to
> pop out of nowhere or only showed up twice in two completely unrelated
> situations. No one tends to notice these things but it would've been much
> better if variations of the main theme were used instead. The only easy to
> identify themes were "Jacks Theme" [Jack has two themes
> actually. The big adventure-ish one that he's introduced with, and the
> quieter slightly comical version that's used from then on out]. There's
> the Pirates of the Carribbean theme, which, to much dismay, doesn't
> introduce the movie, but only shows up in action cues and the ending
> credits. No dynamics in other situations, just the big action cues.
> Finally there's the romance theme between Elizabeth and Will - used
> frequently and effective I might add. The orgonization on these themes,
> and the decisions on when and where to use its dynamic were poorly chosen
> - this I feel is because there were nearly 15 guys working on the job.
> Either way, that hardly takes away from the final product in the end.

> The score work in every situation. I didn't feel it was suggested any more
> attention for a situation than it needed, it didn't distract from the
> movie, it set the mood for each scene perfectly and in the end you get a
> working film score that got the job done and reached the finish line.
> Whether or not they made it to the finish line first place, thats up for
> debate, as there were a lot of key elements and scenerios they could've
> altered to make the dynamics and balance of the score even better and
> consistant. One thing though, I have little experience with any of Media
> Venture's past scores (I've never even seen Gladiator) so this material
> obviously feels a lot more fresh to me than it does to the reviewer. If
> what the reviewer says is true (just being the generic Media Ventures
> peice) then it does loose some brownie points, which just says they
> followed a 'typical MV scoring criteria' routine and just did what they
> thought would've been typical of them to do instead of taking things into
> focus and prospective and drink in what they thought should be a unique
> identity of the entire movie.

> I have the soundtrack to this movie and, as a soundtrack, it provides
> enough random themes to give every individual track its own identity
> which, in a weird kind of way, could be a good thing since I really don't
> like listening to the same song twice. Once again, for emphasis, the
> typical swash buckling pirate film score could not work for this kind of
> movie. Here's why: POTC is not a classic pirate movie. It's more about
> Legend and Myth than Fantasy like most pirate movies and demands a score
> that follows closer along that criteria. Well, that's the end of my
> 'counter review'. Thanks for reading.

Comments in this Thread:     Expand >>
  • The TRUE review for this movie  (1635 views)
       David J B - Sunday, January 8, 2006, at 4:42 p.m.
    •      Re: The TRUE review for this movie  (1729 views)    We're Here
         Kiddo - Wednesday, January 11, 2006, at 5:51 p.m.

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