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Comments about the soundtrack for Pirates of the Caribbean (Klaus Badelt and co.)

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• Posted by: Vincent   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Saturday, July 11, 2015, at 9:15 a.m.
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I usually like your incredibly cool and unbiased approach to scores, but this is just over the top...

First of all, you really have an obsession with composers having to do research. Explain to me why Zimmer and co should have gone to Disneyland if the director didn't ask them to do so. Wouldn't he have said he wanted a Disney-inspired theme in there if he wanted it?

You also simply cannot understand that times are changing: we have left the symphonic John Williams era, whether you like that or not. I am not saying that Zimme's music isn't brainless and derivative at times, but who are we to mock him if that's what people want from him? If I could make a fortune by writing stupid music, I'd do it straightaway, anyone would!

As for the music being obnoxious, I just don't think that's true. It becomes obnoxious only when you start listening hoping for an epic James Horner score.

Then, the themes. How, HOW I ask you, are they 'tepid' and unmemorable? How?! If Williams comes up with a childish fanfare for Indiana Jones it's the best theme mankind will ever produce, but if Zimmer does it, by God let's hate it!

Which brings me to another point. You write about the debate these scores unleashed and about the music being popular with mainstream audiences. Instead of looking down on those people, how about giving Zimmer some praise for that? Can I gently tell you that 99% of the common folk don't recognise Patrick Doyle, Jerry Goldsmith or Rachel Portman even if you threaten them with a gun? You are so compulsively busy hating Zimmer's music that you fail to apreciate this score's sheer influence. Or is your main problem that film music should always remain a private, elitist thing? I'll tell you which consequences this mindset has. I once tried to do some background reading on Doyle's Goblet of Fire. The only, literally the ONLY stupid quote I was able to track down was that he wrote 'a zillion themes for i't. One, he didn't, and two, can one be less informative? Then, about being original. I loved Goblet of Fire, and so did you, but it wasn't an original score! It had the same LSO as other scores do, but you didn'tm ind that, did you?

You might hate Zimmer's 'rock star/media star/celibrity' approach, but at least we know things about him, At least we can listen to interviews and read the fascinating facts behind his style and the scores! I agree that the album is indeed a ridiculous showcasing of the same themes. Zimmer is a useless album producer, I grant you that.

And finally, for the love of God, please, PLEASE quit having a go at these fucking ghostwriters! Prepare for another gentle epiphany. Has it ever crossed your mind that it might be rather difficult for composers to pretend that they're Hans Zimmer, or anyone else for that matter? You gave Ross praise for emulating Williams's style in HP2, but when RPC does it, it's all useless? What IS it with you and Zimmer!

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  •   NO NO NO  (2397 views)    We're Here
       Vincent - Saturday, July 11, 2015, at 9:15 a.m.
    •    Re: NO NO NO  (1796 views)
         Morgana Thornton - Tuesday, February 16, 2016, at 9:00 p.m.
      •    Re: NO NO NO  (1610 views)
           Edmund Meinerts - Saturday, April 30, 2016, at 5:18 a.m.
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         Drew C. - Wednesday, August 19, 2015, at 8:52 p.m.

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