> Amen on the stealing. Though I don't think Hans Zimmer isn't a musican.
> Yes, James Horner is more accomplished and, let's face it, just better,
> but that doesn't take away from Hans' ability to write music. And Horner
> doesn't know everything Hans doesn't...if he did, he would learn that
> ripping of yourself is occasionally an annoying trend and would've stopped
> it a while ago.

Well, then Horner obivously learned from Zimmer. Hans steals as much from himself as Horner steals from others (and himself). Anyway, Cesar's point was of a purely musical nature. As a composer (in the traditional sense), Horner *is* better than Zimmer. I'm sorry. I know people don't want to hear this, but diversity and complexity in music isn't a matter of personal taste.

And "ability to write music" is a very very ... very flexible term. Even I can write music, and I sucked at music in school, and five years ago didn't even know whether a # meant a half step up or a half step down.
Zimmer doesn't even "write" music in that sense.

> 1. It's surprising for most Zimmer music, at least in the way they were
> used. 2. NO DUH EVERY COMPOSER USES WOODWINDS. I own...a lot (don't
> remember the number) of scores and have figured out (gee, it took a while)
> that there is a musical section called the woodwinds. I'm not saying that
> simply because Hans used woodwinds he's a genius. But it did add a better
> dimension to the piece, which is why I feel it's one of the better cues
> Hans has written in quite a while, sort of like how I think this is the
> best Zimmer score since King Arthur.

I would go as far and say this is the best Zimmer score since Lion King (King Arthur I find kind of, what's the word, atrocious). But, hold on, that doesn't make it good.
People just have to separate Zimmer's personal accomplishments with those of film scoring, or music, in general. Hans Zimmer using woodwinds on a regular basis in a score may be revolutionary for him (which I personally find a little pathetic), but it's still a big step until he reaches the level of quality that trained musician's have.

I find people like Zimmer, who think outside the usual box refreshing, but his music is just dull as hell.