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James Horner

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James Horner   Monday, June 10, 2002 (8:42 a.m.) 

Wasn't this score assigned to Horner?

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Re: James Horner   Monday, June 10, 2002 (3:04 p.m.) 

> Wasn't this score assigned to Horner?

This project would have been Horner's, yes. However, as he does with so many people, he got in an argument with Robinson, and thus was removed from the movie. That's how Goldsmith got the job.

Mike


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Re: James Horner   Monday, June 10, 2002 (4:03 p.m.) 

Lucky us! This score is 10X better than something score-by-numbers Horner would have done (Windtalkers, for example).

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Re: James Horner   Monday, June 10, 2002 (8:05 p.m.) 

> Lucky us! This score is 10X better than something score-by-numbers Horner
> would have done (Windtalkers, for example).

That's too bad, I would have loved to hear a rehashed version of Clear and Present Danger, with elements of Patriot Games thrown in. There probably would have been some Uileean pipes in there too somewhere...

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Re: James Horner   Tuesday, June 11, 2002 (3:28 p.m.) 

> That's too bad, I would have loved to hear a rehashed version of Clear and
> Present Danger, with elements of Patriot Games thrown in. There probably
> would have been some Uileean pipes in there too somewhere...

And let's not forget what the bad guy's theme would be... duh da da daaaaaa!

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Huh?   Tuesday, June 11, 2002 (6:33 p.m.) 

Does James Horner have a bad personality? I've seen Hans Zimmer interviewed and he seems like cheery guy. But that's all I know about composers' personalities. Can someone explain?

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Re: Goldsmith the Best!!!   Wednesday, June 12, 2002 (5:34 a.m.) 

> Does James Horner have a bad personality? I've seen Hans Zimmer
> interviewed and he seems like cheery guy. But that's all I know about
> composers' personalities. Can someone explain?

I dont know about this, but I know that Im very tired when i listen the last Williams projects. (Really, I think always are the same sound)

But Goldsmith works, always has refreshcant sounds, ambiental sounds...; in this case, there is an excellent main theme, excellent vocals arragements, chorus, excellent action themes and...Ohhh my God, this is a excellent score that Goldsmith bring...his new arrive...WELCOME GOLDSMITH....

Goldsmith forever!!!

5 of 5 stars

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Re: Huh?   Wednesday, June 12, 2002 (11:08 a.m.) 

Well you are right. Hans Zimmer is a cheery guy. He always makes fun out of his job. For example in an interview: "What will be your next project? Answer: I don't know. I just know I'm working."
He also sad that he only blames the Academy for not giving him the Oscar for The Thin Red Line. He said he don't cares about the Oscar, but he want to see in his life when Randy Newman gets the award. He got this time.
Goldsmith and Williams are the "old" ones. When they get a job from a famous director (and also a friend), like: Oliver Stone, Chris Columbus, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Joe Dante, Lee Tamahori, Paul Verhoeven, Michael Crichton, Richard Donner (some big names) etc... they don't say no. And I don't think they talk about money. They do it because they like it.

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Re: Huh?   Friday, June 14, 2002 (9:17 a.m.) 

> Well you are right. Hans Zimmer is a cheery guy. He always makes fun out
> of his job. For example in an interview: "What will be your next
> project? Answer: I don't know. I just know I'm working."
He also
> sad that he only blames the Academy for not giving him the Oscar for The
> Thin Red Line. He said he don't cares about the Oscar, but he want to see
> in his life when Randy Newman gets the award. He got this time.
>
Goldsmith and Williams are the "old" ones. When they get a
> job from a famous director (and also a friend), like: Oliver Stone, Chris
> Columbus, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Joe Dante, Lee Tamahori, Paul
> Verhoeven, Michael Crichton, Richard Donner (some big names) etc... they
> don't say no. And I don't think they talk about money. They do it because
> they like it.

If Zimmer only could answer his mail... I send him an e-mail and haven't heard asnything from him yet.

I heard about Goldsmith's personality. He agrees to do strange projects...

What did Goldsmith/Williams score for Richard Donner? I know Zimmer scored "Radio Flyer", but Goldsmith or Williams?

What do you think of Horner's recent efforts? I think "Enemy at the Gates" is quite good thanks to its repetitions.


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Re: Huh?   Friday, June 14, 2002 (9:39 a.m.) 

Jerry Goldsmith worked with Richard Donner on THE OMEN. For wich Goldsmith received twon Oscar nominations, and he got his only one.
John Williams worked with him on SUPERMAN. Williams was also nominated for that score.

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Re: Huh?   Saturday, June 15, 2002 (2:11 p.m.) 

> Jerry Goldsmith worked with Richard Donner on THE OMEN. For
> wich Goldsmith received twon Oscar nominations, and he got his only one.
>
John Williams worked with him on SUPERMAN. Williams was
> also nominated for that score.

Sorry I forgot!:D You're right.
Pawel

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Re: Huh?   Tuesday, June 18, 2002 (7:36 a.m.) 

> Jerry Goldsmith worked with Richard Donner on THE OMEN. For
> wich Goldsmith received twon Oscar nominations, and he got his only one.
>
John Williams worked with him on SUPERMAN. Williams was
> also nominated for that score.

Yeah...and the first election to score Superman was Goldsmith...jejeje



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Re: Huh?   Tuesday, June 18, 2002 (11:34 a.m.) 

> Yeah...and the first election to score Superman was Goldsmith...jejeje

How do you know it?

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Re: Huh?   Saturday, June 22, 2002 (5:02 a.m.) 

> Jerry Goldsmith worked with Richard Donner on THE OMEN. For
> wich Goldsmith received twon Oscar nominations, and he got his only one.
>
John Williams worked with him on SUPERMAN. Williams was
> also nominated for that score.
I think it's a shame that GOLDSMITH won only one Academy Award, and composers like Alan Menken or John Barry, for example, got 3 Oscars! I mean, they are quite good composers, but they cannot be compared with Master GOLDSMITH! Not to mention that Basil Poledouris wasn't awarded Oscar for his outstanding score Conan the Barbarian (nor for Conan the Destroyer}! I don't know whether these scores were even nominated for Oscar!?! And The Greatest Master JOHN WILLIAMS, should have more Oscars-Indiana Jones Trilogy deserved at least one Academy Award.
I will be very thankful if you can tell me something about GOLDSMITH-WILLIAMS relation? I assume they're good friends, since they were both taught by Mario Castelnuovo-Tedesco! But, correct me if I'm wrong!



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Re: Huh?   Saturday, June 22, 2002 (9:25 a.m.) 

Jerry Goldsmith studied piano with Jacob Gimpel and composition, theory and counterpoint with Mario Castelnuovo-Tedesco. He also attended classes in film composition given by Miklos Rozsa at the Univeristy of Southern California. In 1950, he was employed as a clerk typist in the music department at CBS. Here he was given his first embryonic assignments as a composer for radio shows such as 'Romance' and 'CBS Radio Workshop'. He wrote one score a week for these shows which were performed live on transmission. He stayed with CBS until 1960, having already scored 'The Twilight Zone'. He was hired by Revue Studios to score their 'Thriller' series. It was here that he met the influential film composer Alfred Newman who hired Goldsmith to score the film 'Lonely Are The Brave' (1963), his first major feature film score.

John Williams born 1932 studied music at the University of California in Los Angeles. He joined the Air Force in 1951 for three years, returning to his studies as a pianist at the Julliard School of Music, New York. Went back to Los Angeles for further studies, including composition with Mario Castelnuovo-Tedesco. He was hired by Columbia Pictures in 1956 as a session pianist in film orchestras. He became fascinated with scoring for film and less interested in being a concert pianist. He moved to 20th Century Fox and became involved in arranging and orchestration.

They are, if I can say that, rivals because when they get a nomination they get in the same year, but yes they are good friends:

1998:
Winner:
Vita bella, La (1997) - Nicola Piovani
Other Nominees:
Elizabeth (1998) - David Hirschfelder
Pleasantville (1998) - Randy Newman
Saving Private Ryan (1998) - John Williams
Thin Red Line, The (1998) - Hans Zimmer
Winner:
Shakespeare in Love (1998) - Stephen Warbeck
Other Nominees:
Bug's Life, A (1998) - Randy Newman
Mulan (1998) - Matthew Wilder (music); David Zippel (lyrics); Jerry Goldsmith (orchestral score)
Patch Adams (1998) - Marc Shaiman
Prince of Egypt, The (1998) - Stephen Schwartz (music/lyrics); Hans Zimmer (orchestral score)

1997:
Winner:
Titanic (1997) - James Horner
Other Nominees:
Amistad (1997) - John Williams
Good Will Hunting (1997) - Danny Elfman
Kundun (1997) - Philip Glass
L.A. Confidential (1997) - Jerry Goldsmith

1982:
Winner:
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) - John Williams
Other Nominees:
Gandhi (1982) - Ravi Shankar; George Fenton
Officer and a Gentleman, An (1982) - Jack Nitzsche
Poltergeist (1982) - Jerry Goldsmith
Sophie's Choice (1982) - Marvin Hamlisch

1978:
Winner:
Midnight Express (1978) - Giorgio Moroder
Other Nominees:
Boys from Brazil, The (1978) - Jerry Goldsmith
Days of Heaven (1978) - Ennio Morricone
Heaven Can Wait (1978) - Dave Grusin
Superman (1978) - John Williams



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Re: James Horner   Saturday, July 13, 2002 (7:45 p.m.) 

> And let's not forget what the bad guy's theme would be... duh da da
> daaaaaa!

yeah, and the good guy theme would be da daaaa da da da......

what are you talking about???

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As a Horner fan...   Tuesday, June 11, 2002 (5:12 p.m.) 

I COMPLETELY AGREE. God, this guy needs to take a vacation or something. For ten years.

Yavar

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Re: James Horner   Friday, June 14, 2002 (3:31 a.m.) 

> This project would have been Horner's, yes. However, as he does with so
> many people, he got in an argument with Robinson, and thus was removed
> from the movie. That's how Goldsmith got the job.

> Mike

Thanks. Who is Robinson? The director or produce? Sorry, but all I know about the movie is that's a Clancy adaptation and stars Affleck and Freeman.

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Re: James Horner   Friday, June 14, 2002 (12:00 p.m.) 

> Thanks. Who is Robinson? The director or produce? Sorry, but all I know
> about the movie is that's a Clancy adaptation and stars Affleck and
> Freeman.

Robinson is actually Phil Alden Robinson,the director of the film.
He and James Horner worked together on Field Of Dreams,Sneakers,
and the TV movie Freedom Song.

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Re: James Horner   Saturday, June 15, 2002 (2:14 p.m.) 

> Robinson is actually Phil Alden Robinson,the director of the film.
He
> and James Horner worked together on Field Of Dreams,Sneakers,
and the
> TV movie Freedom Song.

Thanks. Horner is an idiot if he argued with director with whom he gained his first Oscar nomination. .

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