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Hans Zimmer is in Danger.....

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Hans Zimmer is in Danger.....   Sunday, April 20, 2003 (2:03 p.m.) 

As the review says, Zimmer is making too much of an effort to do new, stylish things, rather than focused, quality music.

Crimson Tide, Backdraft, Rain Man, Beyond Rangoon. Just four examples of his brilliant earlier works. Unique, memorable, and with a more orchestral format that didn't detract from the electronic beauty and soundscapes, but made the music much more worthy.

More recently, however, his music is ironically losing its indiviuality the more he tries to be original. He is thinking too much about the new instrument mixes and musicians, instead of the actual tunes. This has led to background noise and repeated motifs. He uses a drawn out two-tone theme in nearly every film now, and frequently uses a 3-note descending semi-tone, semi-tone, tone motif that sounds painfully overused and offers no feel of spirited, individual melody.

Zimmer may not like this idea, but he needs to pull back and experiment with much more traditional, orchestrated styles. He needs to regain the ability to actually make new, outstanding tunes, rather than weird sound scapes that nobody can remember and dont become well-known.

Black Hawk Down, I feel, was one of those rare scores which was successful even though it had a lot of this noise stuff on it, it was just such a shame that the Album release didn't have a very good selection on it. However, it too could have benefitted from some more focused polishing.

In my humble opinion, a great soundtrack, despite its original intruments and power and volume, can also be played on a piano or guitar. It must have a universal, melodic appeal. Zimmer is lacking this more and more. Crimson Tide, on the other hand, was awesome because not only did Zimmer do his weird and wonderful electronic mixing, but stayed close to a good, disciplined orchestral format.

I'm not saying Zimmer should become a boring John Williams. I love his originality, imagination and fusions of sounds, but I think, if he wishes to really become an oustanding, historically remembered artist, he has to focus a lot more on what he is actually writing, not what he's playing with.

Also, I think he should generally climb on board some critically better films than some of the mainstream hollywood garbage he's been catering for.

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Re: Hans Zimmer is in Danger.....   Sunday, April 20, 2003 (2:42 p.m.) 

p.s. I know there are loadsa ppl here who worship Zimmer (including me, even though I sometimes express criticism like this) and I just want to point out that what i said back there was simply my own opinion, i'm not tryin to diss him. Please don't flame me. Thank you.

p.p.s. Oh and Thin Red Line is great too! tho i wish they're released more of it. does any1 know how much of the arrangin is Zimmer's choice?

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Re: Hans Zimmer is in Danger.....   Monday, April 21, 2003 (2:29 p.m.) 

Hy, byro
That's a great review, in fact.
I agree with you quite a lot, in fact. I don't mean to say that everything Zimmer does is a masterpiece, nor I want to mean that people who criticize his music are idiots. By no means. Everyone has his/her own opinions and that's great, I respect that.
You've given your opinion in a very elegant way. You have not insulted anyone, and what you've said is quite right. In fact, I do agree with you in that Black Hawk Down is not one of his best works (in fact I do only like Leave No Man Behind and Still).
Thanks for your interesting post! I wish everyone was that tolerant and sensible as you are.


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Re: thanx dude, oh and an interesting technical point:   Tuesday, April 22, 2003 (10:23 a.m.) 

thanks for your feedback. i find the worst thing about black hawk down not so much the music itself, but the way it was released on CD. Very little of the actual film material was used in the film. While it is still interesting, I still yearn for some of the tracks from the movie - after all, the whole point is that its ment to revolve around the memorabilia of the film.

However, it has good points, I like vale of plenty and mogadishu blues. It is also good that 15 minutes of unreleased material was included on the special edition double dvd.

Being able to hear all 9 minutes of synchrotone on the album is awesome. I soooo wish they'd used more of it. I find it far more terrifying than the other combat cues.

Finally, has anyone noticed that the tempo/pitch of a film, when released commercially on video or dvd, is slightly faster than the film version? I play around whith Nero Wave Editor and I can change the transposition of the music. I loaded Hunger and changed it to + 1 semitone and turned the fine tuning to -50. this is as close as I've got to the faster sound of a vhs/dvd release. To my surprise, this little difference makes a huge emotional change. Baaba Maal's singing sounds far more sad and moving. I must have hit a very minor chord. It's an improvement. I'll have to try to make an mp3 or wma example sometime. Those of you with the capabilities to alter the sound like this would do good to have a go, as it makes an amazing difference with all the tracks.

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Re: thanx dude, oh and an interesting technical point:   Tuesday, April 22, 2003 (10:57 a.m.) 

sorry, I meant "not much of the CD material was used in the film". Sorry for the typo.

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