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Re: My take on rip offs, Zimmer clichés and reading music
• Posted by: SRP   <Send E-Mail>
• Date: Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 1:32 a.m.
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• In Response to: My take on rip offs, Zimmer clichés and readin... (Musica42)

> I just snagged a quick listen to some of Zimmer's As Good as it Gets score
> and I hear what people here are saying. But I think it’s nigh retarded to
> think Williams went and listened to Zimmer's score and decided to rip
> Zimmer off. Personally I can hear the "similarity" but the two
> are very different, as different as the two composers involved. It's just
> that minor key European romantic music with the accordion, clarinet, bass,
> etc that's been used for decades in one film after another. Neither
> Williams or Zimmer invented that style but both felt that kind of music
> was appropriate for their respective films. It's as simple as that.

> Also I think its a shame that people are blaming everything that comes out
> of Media Ventures on Zimmer. Sure Zimmer is the one that first created the
> sound, but he isn't the one that made that sound a cliché; it’s the other
> guys and various other unoriginal bastards in the film composing community
> whom we can thank for that. For instance, Gladiator was a totally fresh
> and well-received score when it came out. But damn if I haven't heard that
> "gladiator sound" in just about every other movie trailer I sit
> through now. And that certainly isn't Zimmer's fault, is it? Personally I
> think Zimmer is a remarkably talented composer/sound engineer and I think
> he single-handedly changed the sound of action scores in the last decade
> or two. Not to mention how many great themes he's created since he began.

> And another thing, I think its just snobbery that people think if a
> composer can't read music he's somehow a lesser musician. I think that's
> total bunk. It in no way implies disrespect for one's craft. It's as
> ludicrous as saying a brilliant poet who can't read or write is a lesser
> poet somehow. Are the words somehow less meaningful because they're not
> written down somewhere?

> Music is not notes on a page. Music is a phenomenon that lives in the
> realm of sound and time; notation is just a cold written recording. If one
> can manage a path to music that doesn't require mucking about with notes,
> then by all means do so. After all, notation came way after the creation
> of music. Zimmer has a brilliant ear and he creates amazing music with it.
> As for Elfman, sheesh, he just learned to notate music to speed up the
> process - not because he felt like a lesser musician not knowing how.
> Anyway, history is replete with amazing musicians who couldn't read music,
> particularly in the realm of popular music. Example, Irving Berlin managed
> to go through his entire career without learning to read or notate music,
> yet look at his body of work.

FINALY! Someone not talking out of their ass.

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