After watching the movie, I realized that I never heard the score in the movie. No theme stood out in my mind after watching it. And it couldn't have done very much in the movie, because the entire thing was a disaster. The only time I ever heard the music was in the previews, and I don't know if that's the score by Klaus Badelt or not, but even then, the score was a total rip-off of back to the future, and other action scores; it had a totally sterotyped melody with know memorability whatsoever, I could even hear a resemblance to Horner's Glory in it. I don't want to be too harsh, because I've only heard it once in the movie, but it deserves no more than three stars.

Now, correct me if i'm wrong here, but is it possible that the fact that you were following a story and listening to actors might have been, oh, i don't know, distracting you from from the music? I would LOVE to hear you say that after listening to it on CD. If you want to have an opinion, you have to have heard the music - by itself - before i'll listen to a word you say. Not to be harsh or anything... it's just the truth. There's not one score i can think of that I was able to appreciate just by watching the movie once, because, hey, i was watching a movie. Am i making sense here?

Kiwi

> Now, correct me if i'm wrong here, but is it possible that the fact that
> you were following a story and listening to actors might have been, oh, i
> don't know, distracting you from from the music? I would LOVE to hear you
> say that after listening to it on CD. If you want to have an opinion, you
> have to have heard the music - by itself - before i'll listen to a word
> you say. Not to be harsh or anything... it's just the truth. There's not
> one score i can think of that I was able to appreciate just by watching
> the movie once, because, hey, i was watching a movie. Am i making sense
> here?

> Kiwi

Sure, I can think of plenty of movies where I noticed the music in the movie and loved it:

Gladiator, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Hunt for Red October, Superman, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, E.T., tons of them, Apollo 13, Batman, Jaws, Indiana Jones, Phsyco, To Kill a Mockingbird, Ben Hur, Vertigo, Rudy, Hoosiers, Chariots of Fire, need I mention more? And mind you, I didn't have the CD before watching the movie. By the way, isn't the soundtrack made for the MOVIE.

There were a few times when I watched a film. I enjoyed that film, and never noticed the music. Then, I'd go back and buy the album and say to myself, "Jeez, I can't beleive I didn't notice that before!" I'm willing to bet that you'd think that if you bought it. When you say "uninteresting," you might mean just for the lack of action cues, right? I can't blame you there, but the rest of that music could nearly akin to the light of a summer's midday in a mountain valley flower field. At least that's what I think about when I hear it.

I dont think its the viewers fault that we dont notice the score unless we are listening for it because usually its the film editing people's fault and even the director for not integrating the film better with the score.. what i mean is that i usually notice the score during periods of the film where say the scenary is being displayed or the opening credits because nothing important is going on so we pay attention to the music.. in a lot of movies, directors/editors/whomever don't put alot of those moments for the composer to score their music.. thats what i think

If you ask around, *most* people don't notice film scores during a movie - but they'd notice that something was missing if it wasn't there. The music in a film functions, in part, as a subconscious way to intensify emotions. While watching a movie, you may be so caught up with the characters' stories and not even consciously notice a dramatic love theme being played in the background. But if that music wasn't there, the scene would be far less emotional.

As for 'The Time Machine' in particular, I enjoyed the music more out of the film than in it. Several of the scenes were obviously cut and re-edited substantially during post production, as there are frequent times when the score is cut, looped, and otherwise distorted during the movie.

-Raymond

> I dont think its the viewers fault that we dont notice the score unless we
> are listening for it because usually its the film editing people's fault
> and even the director for not integrating the film better with the score..
> what i mean is that i usually notice the score during periods of the film
> where say the scenary is being displayed or the opening credits because
> nothing important is going on so we pay attention to the music.. in a lot
> of movies, directors/editors/whomever don't put alot of those moments for
> the composer to score their music.. thats what i think

> Sure, I can think of plenty of movies where I noticed the music in the
> movie and loved it:

As can I, but the music isn't always meant to be noticed.

> Gladiator, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Hunt for Red October,
> Superman, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, E.T., tons of them, Apollo 13, Batman,
> Jaws, Indiana Jones, Phsyco, To Kill a Mockingbird, Ben Hur, Vertigo,
> Rudy, Hoosiers, Chariots of Fire, need I mention more? And mind you, I
> didn't have the CD before watching the movie. By the way, isn't the
> soundtrack made for the MOVIE.

Inevitably, if you watch a movie enough times you will perceive more and more things about the movie on a concious level..things that before were only perceived as a part of the movie experience in general. Score is one that often takes that role. (listening to a sound track apart from the the movie will significantly advance this awareness of the music).

Some music is written to be more subtle and "subconsiously" experienced, while other scores are written to almost serve as a character themselves. A lot of the movies in your list were written by Horner and Williams, who excel and are known for writing far more dominating themes (they are both at times criticized with overpowering the movie with their strong score).

The music for the Time Machine is a beautiful piece in and of itself, without the movie, and its contribution to the movie more noticable when you consider that it's intended to be very subtle, even in the action sequences.

Also remember that this is the composer's fist solo flight and sound score is an art that must be learned as you go along. Granted, its not as good as it could have been, but I'd say the score deserves far better praise than you give it.

HELLO ! HELP !

je suis Français, et je recherche les paroles et la musique de la chanson :

d'Alan ZACHARY : " There's a Place Called Tomorrow " .

Qui peut m'aider à les trouver ?

Merci.
Thank you

jeanpierre.alaj@wanadoo.fr

> After watching the movie, I realized that I never heard the score in the
> movie. No theme stood out in my mind after watching it.

I thought the same thing. I didn't think the music was that great when I saw the movie. But I gave it a shot and the CD turns out to be great. Trust me, I didn't think anything at all until I listened to it, it's a good listen.

Also, the trailer music was by E.S. Posthumus and then later in the trailer was the theme to Stargate.

> After watching the movie, I realized that I never heard the score in the
> movie. No theme stood out in my mind after watching it. And it couldn't
> have done very much in the movie, because the entire thing was a disaster.
> The only time I ever heard the music was in the previews, and I don't know
> if that's the score by Klaus Badelt or not, but even then, the score was a
> total rip-off of back to the future, and other action scores; it had a
> totally sterotyped melody with know memorability whatsoever, I could even
> hear a resemblance to Horner's Glory in it. I don't want to be too harsh,
> because I've only heard it once in the movie, but it deserves no more than
> three stars.

Before I collected soundtracks, I would rarely notice any music for any film. But now that i am more knowledgeable about filmmusic, I invariably notice the music. While watching the abominably flawed movie The Time Machine, I couldn't help but notice the score because it is significantly better than the movie. Plus, in this particular movie, the acting isn't particularly stunning, so it's easy to concentrate on the score, which is indeed memorable, especially if you were paying attenion to it at the beginning with the heartfelt piano solos, etc.