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Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (10:14 a.m.) 

I don't know about you, but Christian's review of Shang-Chi, together with a few others like Jon and James' reviews, has prompted me to listen again. Christian's thematic breakdown is especially helpful since while I generally liked the score when I first heard it, I dismissed it somewhat for lack of thematic development and what I interpreted as "sonic wallpaper" at the time. However, these reviews have made me interested in hearing it again. THIS is one of the many reasons why the world still needs these types of critical reviews.

Thoughts?


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Re: Shang-Chi Review [EDITED]   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (11:02 a.m.) 

> Thoughts?

The following statement summarizes my feelings about the score:

“West's enunciation of themes isn't always clear, but that lack of easy identification, while disappointing, isn't always necessary because of how well he nails the performance inflection of each cue.”

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EDIT: sorry about the double-post!

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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (11:02 a.m.) 

> Thoughts?

The following statement summarizes my feelings about the score:

“West's enunciation of themes isn't always clear, but that lack of easy identification, while disappointing, isn't always necessary because of how well he nails the performance inflection of each cue.”

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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (11:02 a.m.) 

> I don't know about you, but Christian's review of Shang-Chi, together with
> a few others like Jon and James' reviews, has prompted me to listen again.
> Christian's thematic breakdown is especially helpful since while I
> generally liked the score when I first heard it, I dismissed it somewhat
> for lack of thematic development and what I interpreted as 'sonic
> wallpaper' at the time. However, these reviews have made me interested in
> hearing it again. THIS is one of the many reasons why the world still
> needs these types of critical reviews.

> Thoughts?

Agreed, I'll have to relisten. It's mildly baffling to see such positive reviews but it's possible I'm just wrong about this score.


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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (3:05 p.m.) 

> Agreed, I'll have to relisten. It's mildly baffling to see such positive
> reviews but it's possible I'm just wrong about this score.

Funny, you’re normally the apologist for more atmospheric, less enunciated scores.



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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (8:23 p.m.) 

> Agreed, I'll have to relisten. It's mildly baffling to see such positive
> reviews but it's possible I'm just wrong about this score.

Same. The review didn't baffle me per se, but clearly these reviewers have heard something that I originally missed. I'm a huge "themes" and "thematic development" guy so I'm hoping that a relisten with the added context unlocks everything for me. We shall see.


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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (3:03 p.m.) 
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> I don't know about you, but Christian's review of Shang-Chi, together with
> a few others like Jon and James' reviews, has prompted me to listen again.
> Christian's thematic breakdown is especially helpful since while I
> generally liked the score when I first heard it, I dismissed it somewhat
> for lack of thematic development and what I interpreted as 'sonic
> wallpaper' at the time. However, these reviews have made me interested in
> hearing it again. THIS is one of the many reasons why the world still
> needs these types of critical reviews.

> Thoughts?

I'm still lukewarm on this score. I appreciate the effort from a composer I was previously not familiar with and I can tell there's some thought put into it, as CC explains in his review. It keeps me interested, but nothing really grabs my attention in the way I want the best superhero scores to do.


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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (4:21 p.m.) 

I don't get it either. Maybe I'll give it a re-listen but I just don't even want to. It is very by-the-book score with very few memorable moments.


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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (7:40 p.m.) 

> I don't know about you, but Christian's review of Shang-Chi, together with
> a few others like Jon and James' reviews, has prompted me to listen again.
> Christian's thematic breakdown is especially helpful since while I
> generally liked the score when I first heard it, I dismissed it somewhat
> for lack of thematic development and what I interpreted as 'sonic
> wallpaper' at the time. However, these reviews have made me interested in
> hearing it again. THIS is one of the many reasons why the world still
> needs these types of critical reviews.

> Thoughts?

Tried listening to it again after reading the review and while I have warmed up to more sections of the score this time around, I still can't fully get invested in it. All the ingredients for a great score are there with West's orchestration, ethnic instrumentation and synth elements. I just wish I liked the main theme more than I do. I will admit this is a personal preference and may change over time. I used to have the same problem with Mychael and Jeff Dana's score for The Good Dinosaur and I love it now more than I did when it came out.


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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (8:25 p.m.) 

> Tried listening to it again after reading the review and while I have
> warmed up to more sections of the score this time around, I still can't
> fully get invested in it. All the ingredients for a great score are there
> with West's orchestration, ethnic instrumentation and synth elements. I
> just wish I liked the main theme more than I do. I will admit this is a
> personal preference and may change over time. I used to have the same
> problem with Mychael and Jeff Dana's score for The Good Dinosaur and I
> love it now more than I did when it came out.

Personal preferences do indeed change. I cannot tell you how much I despised Jablonsky's first "Transformers" score when it first released... but I find it really enjoyable now.


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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (8:52 p.m.) 

> Personal preferences do indeed change. I cannot tell you how much I
> despised Jablonsky's first 'Transformers' score when it first released...
> but I find it really enjoyable now.

It is funny that you mention Jablonsky as I find his scores have the opposite problem. His scores usually have a melody or theme that I really like and then doesn't proceed to do anything interesting with the orchestration and such. Which is a shame as I know he can do a lot more. Scores like Steamboy and Your Highness come to mind.


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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Wednesday, October 20, 2021 (10:16 p.m.) 

> I don't know about you, but Christian's review of Shang-Chi, together with
> a few others like Jon and James' reviews, has prompted me to listen again.
> Christian's thematic breakdown is especially helpful since while I
> generally liked the score when I first heard it, I dismissed it somewhat
> for lack of thematic development and what I interpreted as 'sonic
> wallpaper' at the time. However, these reviews have made me interested in
> hearing it again. THIS is one of the many reasons why the world still
> needs these types of critical reviews.

> Thoughts?

I've been really positive on this score since the first listen, but I still really appreciated Christian's thematic breakdown. I think it's clear West put a lot of thought into the themes and the scores (I like how the father's theme is based on repeating notes, matching his fixation in the movie), though I do wish the themes were more clearly enunciated, particularly the main theme.

Still, this one struck a chord with me (it helped hearing it in context), and I think it'll be in my Top 10 for the year. 'Xu Shang-Chi' and 'Your Mother' are two of my favorite cues of 2021.



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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Thursday, October 21, 2021 (6:26 a.m.) 

> I don't know about you, but Christian's review of Shang-Chi, together with
> a few others like Jon and James' reviews, has prompted me to listen again.
> Christian's thematic breakdown is especially helpful since while I
> generally liked the score when I first heard it, I dismissed it somewhat
> for lack of thematic development and what I interpreted as 'sonic
> wallpaper' at the time. However, these reviews have made me interested in
> hearing it again. THIS is one of the many reasons why the world still
> needs these types of critical reviews.

> Thoughts?

I liked it from first listen for all the reasons Jon and Christian cited. I freely admit I have an implicit bias for any score, which blends oriental sensibilities and auras, and West delivered for me. Now, if they would only cast Simu Liu as the next Bond!

All the best


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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Thursday, October 21, 2021 (2:31 p.m.) 

> I liked it from first listen for all the reasons Jon and Christian cited.
> I freely admit I have an implicit bias for any score, which blends
> oriental sensibilities and auras, and West delivered for me. Now, if they
> would only cast Simu Liu as the next Bond!

> All the best

Generally I feel the same way. It's one of the reasons I love The Promise. I didn't feel this one initially, but after a re-listen today I enjoyed it a bit more, if not quite up to the effusive praise it has been getting elsewhere.

Liu would be GREAT for Bond, except for a few things. He's not English so far as I know, and I am going to guess that the Marvel films will take up too much of his blockbuster filming time for him to be the next Bond. But yes, he would be fantastic.


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Re: Shang-Chi Review   Thursday, October 21, 2021 (6:55 p.m.) 

> Now, if they would only cast Simu Liu as the next Bond!

Erm, yes, please! wink



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