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Smalltown_Poets
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  This week's public thank you: John Powell   Wednesday, July 5, 2006 (6:59 p.m.) 

The Phoenix theme in "Phoenix Rises" has given me inspiration and hope this week. Thank you, John Powell.

-Jon

NP: X-Men: The Last Stand

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  You wanted an answer....   Friday, July 7, 2006 (8:46 a.m.) 

> The Phoenix theme in "Phoenix Rises" has given me inspiration and hope this > week. Thank you, John Powell.

....here it is.

Maybe the theme was good (I canīt remember it from the film), but the movie itself was sooooooo bad (big deception after X-Men 2, that is my favourite) that if Phoenisīs theme is any good, the film is OVERscored.

[Spoilers ahead]
Phoenix does nothing in the whole picture but desintegrating Xavier, some soldiers and keeping next to Magneto without moving a single finger.

Letīs be serious: a theme that had "desintegration music" (a little chaotic string writing?), and ten other semi-menacing notes (5 for each one of her personalities: the tender one , the dangerous one) would have been more than enough.

I still donīt know if Iīm kidding or not.

[Spoiler finished]

Iīll have to agree that Powell is a pretty decent composer, sometimes.
And if gets you inspiration and hope, kudos to him.

Wish he wasnīt given such lousy films.

> NP: X-Men: The Last Stand

An excesive score



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  I was praising the score, not the film...   Friday, July 7, 2006 (3:24 p.m.) 

I could discuss the film, but... it's not really worth the effort. Suffice to say, I liked it more than you did, but it did have many problems.

> [Spoilers ahead] Phoenix does nothing in the whole picture but
> desintegrating Xavier, some soldiers and keeping next to Magneto without
> moving a single finger.

I think Phoenix alone should have been the main focus of one film and the "cure" the focus of another. Cramming them both together shortchanged them both. As did the sub-par script. If they make another, my pick would be Joss Whedon for writer/director:

https://mmuk64.proboards42.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&thread=1151960355

Btw, his first "Astonishing X-Men" story is where the "cure" plot from the film originally came from.

> Letīs be serious: a theme that had "desintegration music" (a
> little chaotic string writing?), and ten other semi-menacing notes (5 for
> each one of her personalities: the tender one , the dangerous one) would
> have been more than enough.

> I still donīt know if Iīm kidding or not.

I hope you're kidding. Wanting the Phoenix music to be less awesome is blasphemous and will not be tolerated.

> Iīll have to agree that Powell is a pretty decent composer, sometimes.
> And if gets you inspiration and hope, kudos to him.

I've never been the biggest Powell fan but I'll give him props when I think they're due. Actually, there's only two scores of his I really love. This one and Endurance.

> Wish he wasnīt given such lousy films.

Since around 90% of films are lousy, most composers usually get lousy films.

> An excesive score

If "excesive" means awesome, I agree.

-Jon


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  Re: I was praising the score, not the film...   Saturday, July 8, 2006 (1:14 a.m.) 

> I could discuss the film, but... it's not really worth the effort. Suffice
> to say, I liked it more than you did, but it did have many problems.

Well, to be sincere, while I was at cinema I was pretty entertained. Itīs only when the final confrontation arrived that I felt a pretty like "Is this all"? And considering it during the End credits, I came to the conclussion that the Phoenix character was almost unnecessary for the film.

> I think Phoenix alone should have been the main focus of one film and the
> "cure" the focus of another. Cramming them both together
> shortchanged them both. As did the sub-par script. If they make another,
> my pick would be Joss Whedon for writer/director:

When I read X-Men (in a far far away galaxy, loooooooong time ago), the writer was Chris Claremont and he was pretty good. I liked how he killed some of the characters. I liked it less when the characters were resurrected, cloned or recovered their mutant habilities.

> https://mmuk64.proboards42.com/index.cgiboard=offtopic&action=display&thread=1151960355

Good one. I didnīt know Logan came from a rich family. And when I stopped reading them (1991), there was some kind of plot were it was guessed that Nightcrawler and Mistique were relatives, or something. But the plots started to contine in different superheroes issues and I was unable to follow that soap opera. I think I left it in the "Inferno" cross-over. There was Magik, Cyclopīs baby.....good olī times.

> Btw, his first "Astonishing X-Men" story is where the
> "cure" plot from the film originally came from.

Itīs curious, but I think that when I saw the film, I recognized "Leeches". Wasnīt him one of The Morlocks? Him and another kid who was drawed without nose (Mutant power: not smelling at all?)

> I hope you're kidding. Wanting the Phoenix music to be less awesome
> is blasphemous and will not be tolerated.

>

I know, I know... It was only a sugerence to make the music fit the film better

> I've never been the biggest Powell fan but I'll give him props when I
> think they're due. Actually, there's only two scores of his I really love.
> This one and Endurance.

I love Endurance. The orchestration on "The final Race" is superb. I really like "Chasing the bull". I have little else by him (but for the ones with Harry G-W), but I have listened to some tracks of his "Gigli" score, and though I canīt comment on the whole score, these tracks are relly good.

> Since around 90% of films are lousy, most composers usually get lousy
> films.

Yep. Curiously, I like the scores of films Iīve never seen, and will never see. The films I usually like, donīt have enough budget to have a great score. The scores I like, usually accompany films that I donīt care of.

> If "excesive" means awesome, I agree.

I thought I meant "excesive".
At least was not so excesive when I listened to it in the film. It became excesive when I thought of the film itself. The "Much ado about nothing" sensation, I mean.


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  Endurance and X-Men   Sunday, July 9, 2006 (11:45 a.m.) 

> Good one. I didnīt know Logan came from a rich family. And when I stopped
> reading them (1991), there was some kind of plot were it was guessed that
> Nightcrawler and Mistique were relatives, or something. But the plots
> started to contine in different superheroes issues and I was unable to
> follow that soap opera. I think I left it in the "Inferno"
> cross-over. There was Magik, Cyclopīs baby.....good olī times.

You stopped reading before I started! I used to buy X-Men and Uncanny X-Men regularly for years but stopped when it just became habit even though I wasn't enjoying the books anymore. While I'll always love the characters, the problem with buying books solely on a soap-operatic "what happens next" fashion is that that's what they count on you to do so there's little impetus for them to make them any more than mediocre, and sometimes these comics have been downright bad. Not to mention these characters are so important to the company rarely is something really interesting or really permanent is going to happen to them, and when something does, if another writer or editor or editor in chief comes along who doesn't like what happened, they'll simply change it, rendering the preceding story pointless. (See an anti-Catholic hack writer taking over X-Men years ago and turning Nightcrawler's established priesthood into an insulting, ill-conceived conspiracy against the world: https://www.thexaxis.com/uncannyxmen/uncannyxmen424.htm )

Lately I have been impressed with: Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men starting with E is for Extinction ( https://www.dynamicforces.com/images/newxmentpb.jpg ), Peter David's X-Factor, which started with the excellent Madrox series (collected as "Multiple Choice: https://www.hillcity-comics.com/graphic_novels/new_graphic_novel4567.jpg ), and the aforementioned Astonishing X-Men..

Wolverine's childhood was revealed in a mini-series called "Origin" which was of course was best-selling for doing stuff like revealing his real name (James Howlett) but in the end was strangely rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion, despite some great art.

> Itīs curious, but I think that when I saw the film, I recognized
> "Leeches". Wasnīt him one of The Morlocks? Him and another kid
> who was drawed without nose (Mutant power: not smelling at all?)

Yeah, Leech was some kind of green or pink noseless gnome from the Morlocks (I think) whose character they used for the source of the cure in the film. Thankfully, they didn't feel he had to have the same appearance in the film... probably would have been a horrendous CGI blob or something...

> I love Endurance. The orchestration on "The final Race" is
> superb. I really like "Chasing the bull".

Wow, someone else who loves Endurance! Cool. I've often thought if I had to choose one score to be a soundtrack for a film about my life it would be this one. African influences, luminous highs and brooding lows. I especially love track 11 "Mother Is Sent Away", one of those extremely melancholy tracks like "Gortoz A Ran - J'Attends" from Black Hawk Down.

-Jon

NP: Endurance


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  Re: This week's public thank you: John Powell   Friday, July 7, 2006 (10:45 a.m.) 

> The Phoenix theme in "Phoenix Rises" has given me inspiration
> and hope this week. Thank you, John Powell.

No doubt. The Phoenix theme is definitely one of the year's best...it rises, it falls, it has multiple phrases to it, the orchestration around it is thrilling, it has choir sometimes, sometimes not, it can be quiet, loud, crazy....it is used exactly as a great theme should be used in a super-hero film.

-Brendan


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