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Christian Kühn
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  JNH's Lady in the Water gets five stars!   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (2:09 a.m.) 

Interesting. It's the first JNH score covered here to do so. Christian also picks it as the best thing of 2006 so far.

CK

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  Re: JNH's Lady in the Water gets five stars!   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (3:30 a.m.) 

> Interesting. It's the first JNH score covered here to do so. Christian
> also picks it as the best thing of 2006 so far.

> CK

I'm not criticising JNH (or Clemmensen, for that matter), but given the quality of the scores that have been released so far this year, it's not difficult to fathom that Lady in the Water is the best score of the year (so far, at least). However, based on the sound clips I'm very excited about hearing this score. Unfortunately, the Australian release date of the film is screwed (7th September), so I'm going to have to wait a while to get the soundtrack (invariably they aren't released in Australia until after the film).

I know it's too early to judge, but does anyone think there's a likelihood of this score getting an Oscar nomination? I certainly hope it does.

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  Re: JNH's Lady in the Water gets five stars!   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (11:35 a.m.) 

"...given the quality of the scores that have been released so far this year, it's not difficult to fathom that Lady in the Water is the best score of the year (so far, at least)."

Aw, c'mon now... it hasn't been all that bad. Maybe I'm just too forgiving, but I've admired and enjoyed quite a few scores released this year. "Nanny McPhee", "Firewall", "M:I:III", "Superman Returns", "X-Men: The Last Stand", "The Da Vinci Code", "V for Vendetta", "The Promise", "The Omen"... I'd say we're ticking along pretty well, for being at the halfway point. And we still haven't gotten to some of the heavy hitters for this year, like Elfman and Horner... When it's all said and done, I suspect 2006 will have been a pretty solid year for film music. Can't wait to hear "Lady in the Water", and I hear "Monster House" is pretty good, too.

Back at ya later

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  Re: JNH's Lady in the Water gets five stars!   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (3:35 p.m.) 

> Aw, c'mon now... it hasn't been all that bad. Maybe I'm just too
> forgiving, but I've admired and enjoyed quite a few scores released this
> year. "Nanny McPhee", "Firewall", "M:I:III",
> "Superman Returns", "X-Men: The Last Stand", "The
> Da Vinci Code", "V for Vendetta", "The Promise",
> "The Omen"... I'd say we're ticking along pretty well, for being
> at the halfway point.

Maybe I was a bit harsh in my assessment of the scores that have been released so far. As for the scores you mention, the only ones I enjoyed are Nanny McPhee (saw the film last year, but didn't realise the soundtrack wasn't released until January '06), X-Men: The Last Stand and The Da Vinci Code. I know I'm far too difficult to please, LOL, but some of the others just didn't impress me (particularly Superman Returns, which doesn't do anything for me outside the use of Williams' original themes).

> And we still haven't gotten to some of the heavy
> hitters for this year, like Elfman and Horner... When it's all said and
> done, I suspect 2006 will have been a pretty solid year for film music.
> Can't wait to hear "Lady in the Water", and I hear "Monster
> House" is pretty good, too.

It is the nature of Hollywood that the more high profile films are released in the latter half of the year (the Oscars have something to do with it, I'm told ), and the soundtracks are the same deal, given that most of them are attached to said films. So, yes, there is still hope yet .

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  Re: A prediction.   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (4:07 p.m.) 

I think Lady in the Water will probably get a nomination. From what I've heard from popular opinion (meaning outside this website), I think the The Da Vinci Code will get a nomination. Superman Returns has a chance, but I don't think it'll win. Wouldn't it be funny if Dead Man's Chest got a nomination?
P.S. (I have no idea what'll get nominated for best picture. Any opinions?)

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  Re: A prediction.   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (4:55 p.m.) 

> I think Lady in the Water will probably get a nomination. From what
> I've heard from popular opinion (meaning outside this website), I think
> the The Da Vinci Code will get a nomination. Superman
> Returns
has a chance, but I don't think it'll win. Wouldn't it be
> funny if Dead Man's Chest got a nomination?

I hope you are right about Lady in the Water. Not only is JNH long overdue for an Oscar, but the score on its own merits is very good, at least from what I hear in the sound clips. As his nomination for The Village confirmed, the voters seem to be able to look beyond the quality of the film when considering their nominations.

Superman Returns and POTC2 won't be nominated, because both rely on thematic elements from previous scores. The Academy has a rule about the use of pre-existing music (namely, in this instance, the adaptation of themes from previous scores) in the Original Score nominees, so there is no chance of either being nominated. Besides, do you really think POTC2 deserves a nomination?

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  Re: A prediction.   Monday, July 17, 2006 (2:40 p.m.) 

> I hope you are right about Lady in the Water. Not only is JNH long
> overdue for an Oscar, but the score on its own merits is very good, at
> least from what I hear in the sound clips. As his nomination for The
> Village
confirmed, the voters seem to be able to look beyond the
> quality of the film when considering their nominations.

> Superman Returns and POTC2 won't be nominated, because both
> rely on thematic elements from previous scores. The Academy has a rule
> about the use of pre-existing music (namely, in this instance, the
> adaptation of themes from previous scores) in the Original Score nominees,
> so there is no chance of either being nominated. Besides, do you really
> think POTC2 deserves a nomination?

That's why I said it would be funny if Dead Man's Chest gets a nomination. How old is this rule about the use of pre-existing themes and materials? I know that The Prisoner of Azkaban was nominated for an Oscar, and it's a sequel (and thus uses the themes of the first Harry Potter movie).

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  Re: A prediction.   Monday, July 17, 2006 (5:00 p.m.) 

> That's why I said it would be funny if Dead Man's Chest gets a
> nomination. How old is this rule about the use of pre-existing themes and
> materials? I know that The Prisoner of Azkaban was nominated for an
> Oscar, and it's a sequel (and thus uses the themes of the first Harry
> Potter
movie).

The rule the Academy has about pre-existing music in the Original Score nominees is a load of bollocks. Fortunately they've seen fit to bypass it a couple of times over the past few years (Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King come to mind).

As for the category itself, I no longer have any faith in it after the fiasco of this year. So, in reality I don't care who is nominated, let alone who wins, in the future.


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  Re: A prediction.   Tuesday, July 18, 2006 (3:59 a.m.) 

> That's why I said it would be funny if Dead Man's Chest gets a
> nomination. How old is this rule about the use of pre-existing themes and
> materials? I know that The Prisoner of Azkaban was nominated for an
> Oscar, and it's a sequel (and thus uses the themes of the first Harry
> Potter
movie).

True. Same thing goes for the SW sequels, the Indiana Jones trilogy, Return of the King etc. Sometimes it appears that AMPAS themselves don't know what there own rules are, much less how they work. Only in one point they have been consequent: picking the worst of the five nominees as the winner.

As for PotC 2...well, it's a multi-composer score, so that'll rule it out for sure.

As for what might be nommed next year...absolutely no idea...2006 has been a very mediocre year for scores so far. No clue whatsoever. But then again, 60% of the nominees (ie, 3 out of 5) are usually from films released in November or December, so...call me again!

Where's that dratted Nyze when you could have use for him?!

CK

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  Re: A prediction.   Tuesday, July 18, 2006 (5:06 a.m.) 

> Where's that dratted Nyze when you could have use for him?!

Okay, now there's something truly scary about this, as Nyze posted within ten minutes after I posted this. Scary, and somehow peculiar...

CK

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  Re: JNH's Lady in the Water gets five stars!   Tuesday, July 18, 2006 (7:16 a.m.) 

> "...given the quality of the scores that have been released so far
> this year, it's not difficult to fathom that Lady in the Water is
> the best score of the year (so far, at least)."

> Aw, c'mon now... it hasn't been all that bad. Maybe I'm just too
> forgiving, but I've admired and enjoyed quite a few scores released this
> year. "Nanny McPhee", "Firewall", "M:I:III",
> "Superman Returns", "X-Men: The Last Stand", "The
> Da Vinci Code", "V for Vendetta", "The Promise",
> "The Omen"... I'd say we're ticking along pretty well, for being
> at the halfway point. And we still haven't gotten to some of the heavy
> hitters for this year, like Elfman and Horner... When it's all said and
> done, I suspect 2006 will have been a pretty solid year for film music.
> Can't wait to hear "Lady in the Water", and I hear "Monster
> House" is pretty good, too.

> Back at ya later

MI:III? V For Vendetta? The Omen? Are you kidding?

But...come on...the Omen? Honestly?

Everything about that movie (including the useless score) was filth.

B


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  Re: JNH's Lady in the Water gets five stars!   Tuesday, July 18, 2006 (9:23 a.m.) 

> MI:III? V For Vendetta? The Omen? Are you kidding?

No, not at all!

> But...come on...the Omen? Honestly?

"The Omen" is by no means the masterpiece that Jerry Goldsmith's original is, but it's by no means a bad score, either. I found Beltrami's score to be a well-written, solid, enjoyable horror movie score, that ranks several notches above the whiz-bang-pop-swoosh-screech crap being written for such films nowadays. "M:I:III" is both intelligent and exciting, I don't see how anybody could have much of a problem with that one. "V for Vendetta" we can argue about, but I thought it was a very good score.

> Everything about that movie (including the useless score) was filth.

Frankly... erm... well, despite popular opinion, I thought the film was half-decent. And... well, Liev Schrieber is better for that role than Gregory Peck. Plus Mia Farrow, Pete Postelthwaite, David Thewlis, and Michael Gambon, all in fine form? C'mon, it's not so bad. Julia Stiles was the only real weak point, as far as I was concerned.

Oh, and I just listened to "Lady in the Water"... you can add that one to my list of strong scores for this year.

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  Re: JNH's Lady in the Water gets five stars!   Tuesday, July 18, 2006 (9:47 a.m.) 

> Frankly... erm... well, despite popular opinion, I thought the film was
> half-decent. And... well, Liev Schrieber is better for that role than
> Gregory Peck. Plus Mia Farrow, Pete Postelthwaite, David Thewlis, and
> Michael Gambon, all in fine form? C'mon, it's not so bad. Julia Stiles was
> the only real weak point, as far as I was concerned.

> Oh, and I just listened to "Lady in the Water"... you can add
> that one to my list of strong scores for this year.

> Back at ya later

Hey, listen, MI:III wasn't terrible. I'll give you that. But it certainly wasn't memorable in any way either and even right after I came out of the theater I couldn't remember a lick of it (and I was really trying!). But the Omen, oh man, Garbage movie with great actors. I don't understand how they all got attached. It is just a terrible script with absolutely NO development, nauseatingly stupid characters, no arc, and no surprises and a painfully mediocre ending. It was like Final Destination V or something. And any score that tries to accent it is, necessarily, nearly as bad (if not worse).

Just awful

B

(It did have some good cinematography though...there I said something nice

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  Yeah, it's a good review (though a bit long)   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (10:02 a.m.) 

> Interesting. It's the first JNH score covered here to do so. Christian
> also picks it as the best thing of 2006 so far.

His description really has me looking forward to this...Unbreakable is one of my favorites.

Yavar

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  Why do you focus on Clemmy's reviews that much lately?!   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (1:20 p.m.) 

Be your remarks good or bad, they somewhat baffle me. And instead of commenting on them here, you should do that in the commentary section (except, of course, you're hoping for more readership here...).

CK

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  There's not a whole lot more activity around here...   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (7:19 p.m.) 

> Be your remarks good or bad, they somewhat baffle me. And instead of
> commenting on them here, you should do that in the commentary section
> (except, of course, you're hoping for more readership here...).

Except the commentary sections are full of wackos and Clem only keeps all of 'em open for the revenue. If I want to hear what *you guys* think of the score (and/or review), I come here.

Yavar

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  Besides, why put your original post in this forum if it's about Clem's rating? *NM*   Sunday, July 16, 2006 (7:21 p.m.) 



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  Re: Besides, why put your original post in this forum if it's about Clem's ratin   Monday, July 17, 2006 (4:23 a.m.) 

Well, putting it in the forum right beneath the review with the *****-star rating would be kinda superfluous, don't ya think?

Also, there have been instances when people didn't notice that such a review was up right away.

CK

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  Re: Besides, why put your original post in this forum if it's about Clem's ratin   Monday, July 17, 2006 (10:49 a.m.) 

> Well, putting it in the forum right beneath the review with the
> *****-star rating
would be kinda superfluous, don't ya think?

> Also, there have been instances when people didn't notice that such a
> review was up right away.

Makes sense.

So why have a problem when I do something similar?

Yavar

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  Re: Besides, why put your original post in this forum if it's about Clem's ratin   Monday, July 17, 2006 (2:17 p.m.) 

> So why have a problem when I do something similar?

Well, you comment on what Christian writes, and that's what's he designed the commentary section for. The difference to my post is that mine was to make people aware of the review and that CC had given a JNH score five stars. That's not a comment per se, I believe, more of a notice.

CK



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