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• Posted by Christian Kühn
• Date: Sunday, July 23, 2006, at 7:41 a.m.
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• In Response to: Re: Laying the Zimmer-basher smackdown just like old times (Nate U)

> True, being as high-profile as Zimmer is definitely makes his scores more
> controversial...a lot of people hear them! And yes his music is not what
> more traditional film music fans want to hear, but that doesn't make much
> difference to me...I judge Zimmer scores with a different set of criteria
> than I do more traditional film composers, I guess.

No arguing that, as it boils down to personal opinions and preferences in many cases. But truth is also that these days, a Zimmer score will be written to be a Zimmer score for, say, Batman Begins, but not to be a Batman Begins score by Zimmer (convoluted statement, I know). By that I mean, he's more concerned with doing HIS thing instead of doing what would be appropriate for a film.

Howard Shore has made a great statement that he writes scores that fit their respective films and would not fit in another environment, so to speak. I think when you do that and still can retain your own stylistics etc. and enhancing the film at the same time, you're doing the best job possible. I have a feeling that HanZ isn't doing that a lot recently.

> Good film music isn't necesarily about intellect, IMHO. Perhaps part of
> being a revolutionary artist is taking one's art to a plane which is not
> directly comparable to revolutions made in the past. Being a pioneering
> revolutionary is all about progression in a direction that hasn't been
> traveled before, afterall.

Not necessarily, agreed, but the best results of great film music in my opinion are intellectual ones. Being revolutionary doesn't have to be a bad thing, but as we all know, there's always the chance of it leading into a dead-end. And then what?

> Time is the best of critics though! A lot of Zimmer's haven't been
> forgotten though, and I assume that bodes well for Zimmer's legacy.

True that. But of all the MV-artists and their scores, there are only a handful that have stood the test of time so far and have a chance of keeping to do so. And 90% are scores that have been composed by Zimmer (almost) by himself. You name Thin Red Line and Black Hawk Down (which I detest). I name The Lion King. Others may name Gladiator, Backdraft, Prince of Egypt. But I highly doubt that many of his recent scores, from Batman Begins over King Arthur (which I love) to the PotC scores, will stand the test of time.

> N8

You cool over there?


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