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Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Hans Zimmer)
Musically trained people?

Musically trained people?
Lopso
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Thursday, June 21, 2007 (8:57 a.m.) 

http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/015653-3.html

Apparently there are many musically trained people who can enjoy Zimmer too. Whooptydoo. And apparently GK also follows that forum posting he's strange Zimmer-bias there too.

What's up with that? There was a nice conversation there, but GK disappeared. Why is still posting here though if he doesn't care about conversating Zimmers style anyway?


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Re: Musically trained people?
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Thursday, June 21, 2007 (11:35 a.m.) 

> http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/015653-3.html

How are these people musically trained?



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What's your point?
G.K.
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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 (11:49 a.m.) 

> http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/015653-3.html Apparently there
> are many musically trained people who can enjoy Zimmer too. Whooptydoo.
> And apparently GK also follows that forum posting he's strange Zimmer-bias
> there too.

> What's up with that? There was a nice conversation there, but GK
> disappeared. Why is still posting here though if he doesn't care about
> conversating Zimmers style anyway?

I don't quite get your point. What are you trying to say? My whole life doesn't depend on Hans Zimmer discussions.

Why is it that everytime someone points out the cruel simplicity Zimmer inflicts upon his listeners, that person gets labelled as extremely biased?

Nobody get called that for disliking Elfman or Debney or Goldenthal (is that man still working by the way?)

You're calling that MM discussion "nice conversation"? I'm simply tired from being accused of having a "close, biased mind" for valueing the art of composition and orchestration, and that constantly by people who attack one personally for no reason and utter even the most horrible trash under the (for them) almighty protection of "it's my opinion". Apparently it's their opinion, and it would be considered sacrilege to attempt a serious discussion that could eventually lead to some inconvenient attacks at that opinion.

And a Hans Zimmer discussion is a serious discussion about where film music will eventually steer in the next few years, and whether the traditional, fine and admittedly difficult art of writing and orchestrating still gets the respect and proper treatment it deserves in mainstream movie making.

To those folks, pointing out that Hans Zimmer's influence, with his brass overkill, his sound effects that pass as score, his monorhythmic style, his general oversimplyfying of the orchestral apparatus, has done more harm to that art than good is almost a sin.
Because it might eventually even affect a fan's personal preferences (careful, irony!)

Heaven forbid these places are ever being used for something else but an exchange of white fluffy marshmallows!


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Re: What's your point?
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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 (8:26 p.m.) 

> I don't quite get your point. What are you trying to say? My whole life
> doesn't depend on Hans Zimmer discussions.

> Why is it that everytime someone points out the cruel simplicity Zimmer
> inflicts upon his listeners, that person gets labelled as extremely
> biased?

> Nobody get called that for disliking Elfman or Debney or Goldenthal (is
> that man still working by the way?)

> You're calling that MM discussion "nice conversation"? I'm
> simply tired from being accused of having a "close, biased mind"
> for valueing the art of composition and orchestration, and that constantly
> by people who attack one personally for no reason and utter even the most
> horrible trash under the (for them) almighty protection of "it's my
> opinion". Apparently it's their opinion, and it would be considered
> sacrilege to attempt a serious discussion that could eventually lead to
> some inconvenient attacks at that opinion.

> And a Hans Zimmer discussion is a serious discussion about where film
> music will eventually steer in the next few years, and whether the
> traditional, fine and admittedly difficult art of writing and
> orchestrating still gets the respect and proper treatment it deserves in
> mainstream movie making.

> To those folks, pointing out that Hans Zimmer's influence, with his brass
> overkill, his sound effects that pass as score, his monorhythmic style,
> his general oversimplyfying of the orchestral apparatus, has done more
> harm to that art than good is almost a sin.
> Because it might eventually even affect a fan's personal preferences
> (careful, irony!)

> Heaven forbid these places are ever being used for something else but an
> exchange of white fluffy marshmallows!

If you didn't want people to think you have a "close, biased mind", then you shouldn't have earlier characterized the people who enjoy Zimmer's style of music as sub-human "schimpanzees".

PS: Goldenthal recently composed a grand opera, titled "Grendel," which was staged by Julie Taymor and recieved mixed reviews. It has yet to see a CD or DVD release.

Then you should not have


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Friday, April 25, 2008 (12:20 p.m.) 

> http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/015653-3.html Apparently there
> are many musically trained people who can enjoy Zimmer too. Whooptydoo.
> And apparently GK also follows that forum posting he's strange Zimmer-bias
> there too.

> What's up with that? There was a nice conversation there, but GK
> disappeared. Why is still posting here though if he doesn't care about
> conversating Zimmers style anyway?

What??????



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