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Zimmer & friends pt 11d - TBTF 2020-22: Cry Macho, Lorne’s 2021, The King’s Man

Zimmer & friends pt 11d - TBTF 2020-22: Cry Macho, Lorne’s 2021, The King’s Man
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- Here’s the last post on The Last Duel, Encanto, etc. - https://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/forum.cgi?read=122325
- If you want the full set of links covering the Too Big To Fail era or earlier, click on my profile.

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Cry Macho (2021) - **½
Mark Mancina; add’l music by Clint Eastwood &
Marlon E. Espino; orchestrated by Larry Rench

TBTF discovery #88. If it wasn’t for Vikram’s marvelous interview featured in FSM, this would’ve been a much shorter write-up.

The first film score Mark Mancina had written since Moana was also the first time in decades director Clint Eastwood had worked with a Hollywood composer. The collaboration resulted in easygoing and likable music that was also sparse enough to make Hillbilly Elegy sound lush by comparison. “It’s a very organic, dusty score - nylon string guitar, pedal steel, electric stuff, a cellist, some woodwinds.” COVID meant most instrumentalists were recorded remotely, but at least Mark got to collaborate closely with Clint since the two lived near each other. “Clint’s not a cell phone guy. I’ll be sitting here working, and all of a sudden he’s standing behind me. Clint loves to write music, and there were a couple of themes he wrote that I arranged, and one piece that he played himself.” And the film also allowed the composer to flex his songwriting muscles with a tune done in the style of a Merle Haggard ballad, one that they plucked a New Mexico country singer out of near-obscurity to sing on.


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“COVID brought a thirst for content. So much stuff is getting made!”

Lorne had seven scores come out in 2021, including a reunion with Lego Batman director Chris McKay on The Tomorrow War, episodic scoring for one of the year’s most streamed shows, and music for the second season of the Batman butler prequel series Pennyworth which came about after that show’s post-production moved to London and a U.K. composer had to be hired for tax reasons. Lockdowns did have the benefit of allowing him to work closer to his family though, and the composer would joke that they now knew who he was.


Black Widow (2021) - ****½
Lorne Balfe; add’l music by Max Aruj, Steffen Thum, Steven Davis, Sven Faulconer & Dieter Hartmann;
orchestrated by Shane Rutherford-Jones & Mike Ladouceur; arranged by Luigi Janssen; conducted by
Gavin Greenaway; cello Peter Gregson; beatboxing Kimmy Lawrence; vocal Diana Artashesyan;
technical and scoring assistants including Peter G. Adams, Michael Bitton & Joe Cho

This long-awaited use of Avenger Natasha Romanoff as a main character in an MCU movie would see its release delayed over a year until it was offered as a premium offering on Disney+ in July 2021. Alexandre Desplat was revealed as a surprise choice for composer in January 2020, but a few months later it was confirmed he’d been swapped out for Lorne. Speculation at the time was that Lorne was hired to rescore the film during the pandemic; it turned out that he had been hired months earlier as his week-plus of recordings were “the last session at Abbey Road” before lockdowns started. Lorne’s relationships with music supervisor Dave Jordan (6 Underground) and editor Leigh Boyd (Fast & Furious 6) helped secure the gig. Desplat said very little about leaving Disney’s Rogue One a few years earlier and would have even less to say about this - “I was attached, and then detached.”

Many score fans thought this would be another unremarkable modern-sounding rush job like Geostorm or Pacific Rim: Uprising - and could not have been more wrong. Black Widow was a colossal orchestral effort that broke the record for the largest group recorded at Abbey Road, and one that Lorne said pushed him to a new level of writing at times. Additionally, it was steeped in Russian elements. Lorne wrote his main theme like it was a folk song Natasha heard when she was a child, and even had choirs sing lyrics derived from works by Russian authors. “The Red Army was also a massive influence.” Lorne would’ve taken this a step further and recorded singers in Russia, but the abbreviated timeline left no room for that.

He still managed to do creative things with the singers recorded in London, including having half of the female choir be a gospel group to add a contemporary edge and layering some of his percussion with a beatboxer, though both of these effects are subtle enough that most listeners won’t notice them. The score also had a bunch of ass-kicking action music and a deep roster of strong character themes, plus one of the best tracks of 2021, Natasha Soars, which kicks off the end credits with a rousing performance of Natasha’s theme before returning to a melody that briefly appeared as a lament when the sisters were separated early in the film but now triumphantly returns in full choral glory to signal their victory. Added fun would come when composer Christophe Beck revisited Lorne’s themes in the Disney+ Hawkeye series later that year.


The Wheel of Time Season 1 (2021) - ****
Lorne Balfe; add’l music by Alfie Godfrey & Rufio Sandilands; add’l arrangements by Jon Ong & Filip Olejka;
score technical assistants Kiley Norton & Taran Mitchel; Ashleigh Kelly & Ruth Titmarsh as Balfe’s assistants

An adaptation of Robert Jordan’s gargantuan fantasy book series took over 15 years to get right. NBC contemplated a miniseries in the early aughts, and in 2015 another company dumped a low-budget episode starring Billy Zane on FXX in a brazen attempt to hold on to the rights, though the hullabaloo over the latter catalyzed a more sincere effort which Amazon would sign up to help produce and distribute in 2018. David Buckley, a former assistant of Harry Gregson-Williams whose most notable work in the 2010s was doing most of the music for The Good Wife and its spin-off The Good Fight, was attached in late 2019 and writing themes in summer 2020, but by January 2021 news emerged that he was off the project. Lorne probably came on board in late 2020, though his assignment wasn’t announced until fall 2021.

As with His Dark Materials, Lorne would release an album of concept ideas shortly before the show debuted. Three more albums would follow with episodic music, with the composer joking “we’re trying to create as many volumes as there were books.” The initial reaction among many score fans to what he’d written was shock. This didn’t sound like typical fantasy fare, or even the semi-contemporary music Harry Gregson-Williams wrote for the Narnia films. Rather, that concept album played like an hour of folk rock. You’d think this was a choice forced by the pandemic, or even by the show’s budget - which we would learn a year later was nowhere near as vast as the budget for Amazon’s Rings of Power series. But Lorne suggested they would have eschewed the expected anyway. “The showrunner Rafe Judkins, not wanting to be conventional, started sending me a hot pot of styles: Southern, Cajun, Balinese, Celtic, world music. There are no rules with it. You can have an Irish pipe, but why not also a sitar and gamelans?”

It was the halfway point between the eclectic ensemble Bear McCreary assembled for the aughts reboot of Battlestar Galactica and Trevor Jones’ vocal writing, all filtered through Lorne’s contemporary aesthetic. It was a very left field choice, and it wasn’t for everyone, but it made for a striking, sometimes gorgeous addition to the show and was a huge asset in most episodes. Adding to its complexity was how reliant the composer was on a made-up language. “It was my idea. I should’ve thought twice about it. It was very intimidating. There was a fantastic dialect coach [who helped]. I want to do the show like an opera. Normally with soundtracks, we get a lot of generic ‘aahs’ and ‘oohs’. The vocals [here] aren’t random. They’re supporting the storyline of the scene.”


Dopesick (2021) - ***
Lorne Balfe; add’l music by Alfie Godfrey & Taran Mitchell; add’l arrangements by Jon Ong & Filip Olejka

TBTF discovery #89.

Lorne also contributed to Barry Levinson’s miniseries about Purdue Pharma’s role in America’s opioid epidemic. One would think the Hans association drove the hire, but Levinson’s enjoyment of Lorne’s work on the British series Marcella actually got him the gig. The assignment would have enormous personal resonance for Lorne as he’d just gone cold turkey off of his opioids. “My back popped out. You name it, I was on it. I was running low on pills and fed up with feeling the way I was. I went straight off it. It was hell. A friend of mine said, ‘You shouldn’t be doing this!’ A week later I got approached about this project. It [used] part of my brain I wasn’t using on Wheel of Time. It was minimal and restricted in how emotional it could be.” The score mixed predictably low-key Remote Control drama stylings with unnerving percussion and electronics, along with some occasional solo instruments to hint at the rural setting of part of the series. The album was unobjectionable though unobtrusive, but the series didn’t require anything more than that, and series writer and director Danny Strong loved working with Lorne anyway. “When switching over from the temp, it’s torturous. Lorne hates that too so he avoids it by giving music all through the process. I can’t wait to work with Lorne again.”


Rumble (2021) - ****½
Lorne Balfe; add’l by Steven Davis, Stuart Michael Thomas, Sven Faulconer &
Steffen Thum; orchestrated by Adam Price, Gabriel Chernick & Harry Brokensha;
technical assistants Alfie Godfrey & Michael Bitton; Ashleigh Kelly as Balfe’s assistant

Lorne’s best score by far from this year - and my favorite work of his to date - was the one he wrote for this animated monster wrestling movie that after years of release delays was unceremoniously dumped onto Paramount’s streaming platform (much to Lorne’s chagrin). The composer treated the gig as an opportunity for a raucous, rock-adjacent romp, and it’s an open question how much of the dang thing was even recorded with real instruments given the overabundance of sampled sounds and electronics in the sound mix. But rather than trying to make those noises sound like an orchestra, Lorne delivered something in the sonic realm of chintzy material that might’ve been included in an actual sports broadcast while still managing to channel those sounds into outrageously catchy themes and dramatically potent material. The whole package seemed obnoxious in concept, especially when you consider the saxophone solos and la-la pop vocals also in the mix, but it worked like gangbusters in reality. In Gen-Z terms, this score slaps.


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In December 2021, my wife and I caught COVID while on a ski trip in Colorado. Thankfully our cases were relatively mild, with only the first day being rough, but we still couldn’t fly home, and staying in a ski town for a week-plus wasn’t viable either due to the cost and the need to relieve our pet-sitter back in Chicago. So we rented a car the next day and drove across the country over two days to get home. I won’t say I found that stretch of the I-80 highway to be the most scenic or varied, but I came to appreciate it more when a John Madden documentary aired on Christmas Day and a portion of its runtime covered the Greyhound bus that the flight-averse football commentator would take along that same road to get to games, which prompted me to shout, “Hey, we took that route!” Anyway, I couldn’t sleep very well at the place we stayed at that first travel night, so I logged on to Spotify at something like three in the morning to see what new music had come out that I could put on. Given the early hour, there’s a nonzero chance I was one of the first people in America to listen to these albums. One of those was Rumble. Another was something I immediately and hyperbolically characterized on Facebook as “a Medal of Honor score by way of John Powell.”


The King’s Man (2021) - *****
Matthew Margeson & Dominic Lewis; add’l arrangements Daniel Futcher; orchestrated by Stephen Coleman
& Tommy Laurence; add’l orchestrations David Deutsch, Andrew Kinney, Geoff Lawson, Michael Lloyd & Henri
Wilkinson; orchestra conducted by Ben Parry; score technical engineers Amanda Marsh & Liam Rice

The first Kingsman was covered here: https://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/forum.cgi?read=117324
The Golden Circle was covered here: https://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/forum.cgi?read=119247

Henry Jackman co-wrote the music of the Kingsmen films with his former assistant Matthew Margeson, but Henry had no availability in late 2018 to start work on Matthew Vaughn’s WWI-set prequel, and concurrent demands on Vaughn’s Elton John biopic Rocketman meant Margeson was going to need a co-writer, so along came fellow former Jackman lieutenant Dominic Lewis. Surprisingly for a Vaughn film, the music of the franchise would shift from semi-contemporary sounds to a largely orchestral feel. “We landed on doing this throwback score to give it the grandeur it deserved. [He] mentioned the opening shot of Lawrence of Arabia and the sweeping nature that evoked that timeless vibe. That discipline of being within these modern parameters but still getting across that traditional style, it was really cool.” It was one of the mightiest and most thrilling scores to come out in years, full of rousing brass, bombastic action, and grand themes, plus a bonkers mid-film twist on Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture. The film flopped, but the score was a gem, though it almost got screwed up by the pandemic as Lewis’ relationship with an Australian orchestra was the only way they were able to finish recording the music in summer 2020.

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It's so weird how I mostly, within a margin of error, agree with your ratings (not just on this rundown, but in general) - until the last few years where I feel like you have just gone hogwild overrating practically everything (other than Dying Light 2 ofc). It makes me think it's something to do with me more than anything else. oh well


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> It's so weird how I mostly, within a margin of error, agree with your
> ratings (not just on this rundown, but in general) - until the last few
> years where I feel like you have just gone hogwild overrating practically
> everything (other than Dying Light 2 ofc). It makes me think it's
> something to do with me more than anything else. oh well

If it makes you feel better, I feel like over the last couple years my ratings of things compared to, idk, the median scoreboarder? (trademark pending), hasn't so much drifted in one direction or the other so much as it's exploded in every which direction. I know he was being tongue in cheek but Bennett's quip on my last top ten that "I'm beginning to question your ability to rank things" feels very accurate.


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> It's so weird how I mostly, within a margin of error, agree with your ratings (not just on this rundown, but in general) - until the last few years where I feel like you have just gone hogwild overrating practically everything (other than Dying Light 2 ofc). It makes me think it's something to do with me more than anything else. oh well

I'm gonna assume this is in reaction to the scores I was more enthusiastic about, and not you going 'Cry Macho is a one-star work TOPS, bro.' big grin

It's a tall order to get me to try another listen to Dying Light 2.



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> It's so weird how I mostly, within a margin of error, agree with your
> ratings (not just on this rundown, but in general) - until the last few
> years where I feel like you have just gone hogwild overrating practically
> everything (other than Dying Light 2 ofc). It makes me think it's
> something to do with me more than anything else. oh well

Something to do with me too, in that case. I love Jon's analysis, and his grasp of how each of these composers is evolving is excellent, so much that I want to listen to something like 'Rumble' and hear a 4.5/5 score, but I just can't do it. I know because I just tried again with it.

Similarly, I shall have to give 'The King's Man' another go after his hyperbolic description even references Powell! Hoping I'll get what he's talking about there.


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I fully expected you to take Easter off, my hat's off to you!

> Cry Macho (2021) - **½

Not heard, but man was that interview fun and interesting! And a new Mancina score is a treat. Again, he needs more work.

> Lorne had seven scores come out in 2021, including a reunion with
> Lego Batman director Chris McKay on The Tomorrow War,
> episodic scoring for one of the year’s most streamed shows, and music for
> the second season of the Batman butler prequel series Pennyworth
> which came about after that show’s post-production moved to London and a
> U.K. composer had to be hired for tax reasons. Lockdowns did have the
> benefit of allowing him to work closer to his family though, and the
> composer would joke that they now knew who he was.

Kind of like McCreary, you wonder how heavily a composer leans on their team when you have a schedule *this* packed. Also, I have no idea why, but "*nationality* composer picked for tax reasons" is just a funny thing to me!

> Black Widow (2021) - ****½

Not heard, and while (like Rogue One) I would kill to hear what Desplat would have done, it sounds like Balfe did a great job. I'm excited to hear this one!

> The Wheel of Time Season 1 (2021) - ****

Truly fantastic, this scratched a weirdly specific itch for me. I loved the folk rock element and dizzying mix of instruments. Goes to show that there's no one right way to do fantasy music. With this and others, Balfe reminded us that he's not just the reliable-RC-replacement-score guy, but a talented, creative and capable composer in his own right (there may be other better candidates, but this one did it for me).

> Dopesick (2021) - ***

Not heard, but wow, my sympathy to Balfe. My state was hit hard by the U.S. opioid crisis, and its costs have been in the news a lot. Need to hear this one.

> Rumble (2021) - ****½

I'd heard great things about this, but not heard. Sounds right up my alley! (Balfe needs more animated flicks.)

> In December 2021, my wife and I caught COVID while on a ski trip in
> Colorado. Thankfully our cases were relatively mild, with only the first
> day being rough, but we still couldn’t fly home, and staying in a ski town
> for a week-plus wasn’t viable either due to the cost and the need to
> relieve our pet-sitter back in Chicago. So we rented a car the next day
> and drove across the country over two days to get home. I won’t say I
> found that stretch of the I-80 highway to be the most scenic or varied,
> but I came to appreciate it more when a John Madden documentary aired on
> Christmas Day and a portion of its runtime covered the Greyhound bus that
> the flight-averse football commentator would take along that same road to
> get to games, which prompted me to shout, “Hey, we took that route!”
> Anyway, I couldn’t sleep very well at the place we stayed at that first
> travel night, so I logged on to Spotify at something like three in the
> morning to see what new music had come out that I could put on. Given the
> early hour, there’s a nonzero chance I was one of the first people in
> America to listen to these albums. One of those was Rumble. Another
> was something I immediately and hyperbolically characterized on Facebook
> as “a Medal of Honor score by way of John Powell.”

It's always so special when music gets a particular association or event in your mind. Love hearing backstories for memorable listens! Sorry that happened, and I hope y'all got better with no lasting effects.

> The King’s Man (2021) - *****

And one last "not heard" to close us out. Heard excellent things about it, and your effusive five-star rating made me wanna seek it out!

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> Next time: “Can we use a didgeridoo?”

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> I fully expected you to take Easter off, my hat's off to you!

I went back and forth on whether to keep the every-other-day posting cadence going. Combination of lower-key Easter morning and projecting the subsequent posting schedule sealed the deal.

Nothing in that post was WRITTEN yesterday though. smile

> Kind of like McCreary, you wonder how heavily a composer leans on their team when you have a schedule *this* packed. Also, I have no idea why, but '*nationality* composer picked for tax reasons' is just a funny thing to me!

Happens more than you think - requirements for a European composer drove the hire of Roque Baños for In the Heart of the Sea, and probably also Fernando Velázquez for Hercules.

AND it's absolutely why everyone still acts like the music in Fast & Furious 6 was written by Lucas Vidal.

> I'd heard great things about this, but not heard. Sounds right up my alley! (Balfe needs more animated flicks.)

> And one last 'not heard' to close us out. Heard excellent things about it, and your effusive five-star rating made me wanna seek it out!

I'm genuinely surprised a person exists who hasn't heard either of the aforementioned works - or at least a person active on a film score forum lol.

I'm higher on The King's Man than most others are. Funny enough, all of the Kingsmen scores jumped a half-star as part of this rundown.



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> Happens more than you think - requirements for a European composer drove
> the hire of Roque Baños for In the Heart of the Sea, and probably
> also Fernando Velázquez for Hercules.

That's really interesting, I had no idea! That also kinda explains why these productions hired composers of a classical flair and then had them write a Zimmeresque score for their respective films.

> AND it's absolutely why everyone still acts like the music in Fast
> & Furious 6
was written by Lucas Vidal.

Not at all familiar with this situation, what happened and who actually wrote it? Like, was it a credited-composer-farmed-it-out-to-team scenario, or like Badelt/Zimmer/all-of-MV on Curse of the Black Pearl?

> I'm genuinely surprised a person exists who hasn't heard either of the
> aforementioned works - or at least a person active on a film score forum
> lol.

Heh! Yeah, I haven't kept up with new scores over the past couple of years, something I'm trying to be better at. Your reviews bumped them up in my list!

And I say it often, but again, adore your rundown! They're always insightful, clever and so enjoyable to read!


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> Not at all familiar with this situation, what happened and who actually wrote it? Like, was it a credited-composer-farmed-it-out-to-team scenario, or like Badelt/Zimmer/all-of-MV on Curse of the Black Pearl?

I'm not sure if it was a European composer or a Spanish composer specifically, but someone from the continent had to be hired. Otherwise, we can safely assume they'd have gone with Tyler, even with Iron Man 3 and Now You See Me also due to come out in the same month.

It was a huge break for the young composer Lucas Vidal (not even 30 yet), who really only had The Raven as a known score to American audiences at that point. Vidal even mentioned it in a few interviews prior to the film's release, saying he was on it 'at least six months. It was pretty intense. There were five film editors involved, so there was a lot of people working on the film and the picture was constantly changing. It is similar to the others, yet still different. This one has a certain European feel to it. There is also a lot of electronic music.' He said he finished working on the score about three weeks before the movie came out.

But the music in the film is incredibly nondescript. It barely even references any of the themes Tyler developed, and actually applies at least one of them incorrectly (Brian's theme appearing when Dom emerges from the plane wreckage). You'd think this was Vidal's doing, but then you look at the music credits and see Max Aruj, Matt Dunkley, Evan Goldman, Gavin Greenaway, Stephen Hilton, and Nathan Stornetta. There was also the complete absence of a score album release.

Hybrid (the duo Mike and Charlotte Truman who've occasionally worked with HGW) is also in the credits. Their website mentions six months of work and Vidal specifically, but also mentions hearing their work on-screen. Unclear what to make of that.

Evidence suggests that Lorne led a replacement score over those three weeks but for various reasons (including perhaps the tax element) everybody had to shut the F up about it. Vidal does not appear to have scored a major work released in the U.S. since then, but he did win Spain's equivalent of an Oscar for best original score a few years later, so perhaps he's doing alright.

THE ONLY COMMENT I've found about the matter is the pre-existing relationships cited by Lorne about Black Widow, and even then it's not explicit about F&F6. 'I was very fortunate, I knew Dave Jordan, the music supervisor, and Leigh Boyd, the editor, from before.' And that was over eight years after the film came out!

Funny enough, this was one of Nate Underkuffler's earliest credits in the industry. I wonder if he can shed any light on this.

> And I say it often, but again, adore your rundown! They're always insightful, clever and so enjoyable to read!

Thanks!



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Woah, what a messy situation, makes me wonder what precipitated it. I noticed how nondescript the music was when I listened a few years back but had no clue the backstory. Thank you so much for taking the time to detail that!


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