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The Basil Poledouris Journey: Episode I (Pre-Conan)

The Basil Poledouris Journey: Episode I (Pre-Conan)
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Thursday, February 20, 2025 (6:56 a.m.) 

Intro:

Well, after finishing my James Horner journey of exploring his lesser discussed works last year... I'm finally getting around to tackling Basil Poledouris like I promised, many... many, months ago. tongue As I'm sure others on the Scoreboard can sympathize with, I've mostly only heard The Big Titles from Poledouris (Conan 1 & 2, Starship Troopers, Robocop, The Hunt for Red October, Flesh + Blood, Les Miserables (1998, The Blue Lagoon) ) which I've been meaning to expand upon for years but either never put aside the time or couldn't find many on YouTube. Thankfully, there's now several titles on YouTube legitimately (and some not... which I still used. Shhh!) so the timing seemed right to finally dig into the mans larger catalogue of works.

A few housekeeping things to address first, though. Poledouris did a lot of work for intentional films and TV before gaining mainstream Hollywood attention, of which I will not be covering any of those earliest endeavors. Instead this journey will start with Big Wednesday (1978) and continue til his final scores. I did listen to a Jaws knockoff he scored, Tintorora (1977), and it's nigh unlistenable for most of the runtime. Likewise I'll be skipping over scores I've already heard on this quest which mostly means the Big Names I mentioned earlier. That said, there's some sequel scores to films I've already seen/heard that will be covered so... there's that. Oh, and finally... there is no set schedule for this. I'm *hoping* to get a new installment out each week (3 scores covered in each), but I make no promises. This will be finished by the end of the year, though!! tongue

Alright, now with all of that out of the way how about we begin, shall we?

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Big Wednesday (1978)



A “coming of age buddy sports comedy-drama” (according to Wikipedia) about a trio of friends dealing with life and the Vietnam War in the 1960’s while also connecting through their love of surfing, Big Wednesday was a massive passion project for director/co-writer John Milius (The Wind and the Lion, Conan the Barbarian, Red Dawn) that proved to be a box office disaster. Rather savagely torn apart by critics at the time, the film seems to have been largely forgotten by most outside of a minor footnote in Milius’ career… and also the mainstream jumping off point for a young composer friend of the director named Basil Poledouris.



Musically Big Wednesday is a drama score very much in the style of Jerry Goldsmith or John Barry from the time with two central themes anchoring everything (both presented in the opening track) with the primary theme turned into the wistful folk song “Only Good Times” for the end credits. Within Poledouris’s career, this is less overtly romantic than The Blue Lagoon yet at times not too far away from what he would write a decade later for Lonesome Dove… minus the more overt Western mannerisms. The end result is a highly amiable score that is occasionally interrupted by more intense passages, particularly in the final third for the “big wave” sequences including a sub-theme fanfare in “The Challenge/Big Wednesday Montage” that is apparently lifted from whatever Classical piece Horner used for the Main theme in Krull (1983). On a slightly less positive note is a few cues that feel jarringly out of place on the album though probably fit whatever scene within the film just fine, namely the militaristic percussion cue “Preparation March”, the funky Rock infused “Liquid Dreams” and the darkly comedic song “Crumpled Car”. 



Despite the above mentioned issues, Big Wednesday largely works as a wistful character drama score that contains plenty of small moments that foreshadow Poledouris’s future scoring triumphs. Apparently the only album available is an early FSM release, which is what I used on YouTube, that contains the whole score plus songs and several alternate takes. The sound quality is decent though very “vintage”, so listener beware. Overall I’d recommend giving Big Wednesday a listen if one is a fan of the composer and would like to hear his first Hollywood effort… though I’m not sure it’s good enough to warrant tracking down the OOP CD on the secondhand market. 



SCORE:

3 1/2 out of 5



———————



Fire on the Mountain (1981)



And here’s the first entry in this journey that has a pathetically minimal Wikipedia entry. Fire on the Mountain (not to be confused with the 90’s Sci-Fi/psychological thriller Fire in the Sky) is a TV film that’s based on the 1962 novel of the same name by Edward Abbey about a New Mexico rancher who fights back against the United States Air Force when his land is going to be seized for making a new bombing range. Directed by Donald Wrye (who made a career out of TV movies and apparently a feature film about ice skating called Ice Castles) and starring Buddy Ebsen and Ron (Ronny) Howard, the film aired on NBC in Nov. 1981 and was apparently nominated (but did not win) an Emmy for “Outstanding Sound Editing”. 



That’s nice and all… but what about the score?



Well, the score is very short at about 20 minutes or so with Poledouris largely taking an introspective drama approach with minor Western trappings, most notably in the opening track “The Ride” which also introduces the Main Theme. As one might imagine, Fire… plays out like an early run for the composer’s later Lonesome Dove with a dash of the tonal melancholy of Big Wednesday thrown in for good measure. This is a largely “theme and variation” endeavor which Poledouris does what he can with but it ultimately comes off as frustratingly repetitive. There’s only so much a man can do with a melancholic theme in an intrinsically melancholic film. 

That said, Poledouris’ orchestrations are rather nice mixing a (very) small ensemble with woodwind, violin, harp and acoustic guitar solos that gives the work a bit more body and sonic variety.

That said, this is probably a one-off for most people though I’d still give it a minor recommendation simply for the lovely theme and hearing Poledouris toying with styles he’d perfect in later projects. 



SCORE:

2 1/2 out of 5



———————


A Whale for the Killing (1981)



With a title like that, it’s either based on a book (probably Hemingway) or some real-life event. In this case, it’s a bit of both.



Loosely based on a true story told by environmentalist Farley Mowat in a 1972 book of the same name, the film tells the tale of a female humpback whale that is stranded, hunted and tortured by a fisherman off the coast of Newfoundland while a visitor tries to save the marine mammals life. Partly shot on location and featuring a top tier production including director Richard T. Heffron (The Rockford Files, North & South (1985 only), Futureworld), screenwriter Lionel Chetwynd (The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz) and starring Peter Strauss, Dee Wallace and Richard Widmark (guess who plays the fisherman?), the film received two Emmy nominations and was apparently well received. I must admit out of the production credits the one thing that caught my attention and that I find probably far too funny is that this whole endeavor was funded by… Hugh Hefner under his Playboy Productions label.



Musically, this is far more inline with Poledouris’ feature film work combining orchestra and synthesizers to craft a romantically charged adventure-drama score. The opening track (“Main Title”) immediately sets the stage with a rolling primary theme on strings with a pulsing synth motif as counterpoint which is given a far more intense and darker variation in the following “The Whalers” with tolling chimes for added dramatic emphasis and a brief minor key four-note motif at the end. The rest of the score follows these two themes while Poledouris crafts a far more nuanced soundscape mixing the romanticism of Blue Lagoon with the weightier dramatic writing that would come to define Conan and Flesh + Blood including the Medieval-esque chord progressions (look no further than “Cease Fire Shanty” which could easily be from F+B). While the ensemble Poledouris is working with is clearly still limited in size (some of the percussion is trying their best, but woefully inadequate), the sheer scope of what the composer is attempting to get across is far beyond the small scale Fire on the Mountain and feels truly “cinematic”.



Outside of the limited abilities of the ensemble and some dated synth effects, A Whale for the Killing is a surprisingly good offering from Poledouris that I feel more people should experience. Admittedly this is coming from someone who is just now starting to dig into the mans catalogue outside of the “big titles”, but this really is a great score that clearly has early murmurings of Conan in its DNA. If the idea of “seafaring music that combines Conan with Blue Lagoon” doesn’t get your blood up, I honestly don’t know what to say to you. As I write this I also realize maybe this actually a much loved Poledouris score amongst fans that’s considered a “deep cut”… heck, I apparently misspoke in my James Horner Journey about Red Heat being a forgotten film. 



Anyway, the score for Whale for a Killing is attached as a “bonus” to the album featuring the score to the 1992 film Wind (which I’ll get to later in this series) and is well worth checking out. Seems to be available on all major streaming platforms, so there’s no reason not to.



SCORE:

4/5



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> Well, after finishing my James Horner journey of exploring his lesser discussed works last year... I'm finally getting around to tackling Basil Poledouris like I promised, many... many, months ago. tongue As I'm sure others on the Scoreboard can sympathize with, I've mostly only heard The Big Titles from Poledouris (Conan 1 & 2, Starship Troopers, Robocop, The Hunt for Red October, Flesh + Blood, Les Miserables (1998, The Blue Lagoon) ) which I've been meaning to expand upon for years but either never put aside the time or couldn't find many on YouTube. Thankfully, there's now several titles on YouTube legitimately (and some not... which I still used. Shhh!) so the timing seemed right to finally dig into the mans larger catalogue of works.

Looking forward to this! You have a lot of gems to discover.

> -------------------

> Big Wednesday (1978)



> On a slightly less positive note is a few cues that feel jarringly out of place on the album though probably fit whatever scene within the film just fine, namely the militaristic percussion cue “Preparation March”, the funky Rock infused “Liquid Dreams” and the darkly comedic song “Crumpled Car”. 



> SCORE:
 3 1/2 out of 5

OOOOOF! That feels a bit of a harsh. For me the seafaring attitude and the toggling between the intimate and the epic (at least in the finale) is more than enough to a secure a 4.5/5 rating.

I didn't recall those tracks bothering me - it's entirely possible I've been programming them out in the decade or so I've owned the CD - so I went down and found the liner notes.

Crumpled Car is not a Poledouris piece but rather a song by one of the screenwriters. I'd argue even the film edit should've been in the bonus section.

Preparation March was deliberately intended as an homage to Jerry Fielding's music from The Wild Bunch.

Liquid Dreams is source music for the film-within-a-film surf movie the characters go watch. It's by Basil, but it should've been in the bonus section too. FSM seemed to go back and forth on whether to program this kind of stuff at the end; their release of The Great Santini has similar sequencing issues.

> 
A Whale for the Killing (1981)


> 
Anyway, the score for Whale for a Killing is attached as a “bonus” to the album featuring the score to the 1992 film Wind (which I’ll get to later in this series) and is well worth checking out. Seems to be available on all major streaming platforms, so there’s no reason not to.


Probably agree with your opinion based on its presentation on that earlier album - either low 4/5 or high 3.5/5. It's been a while since I've heard this one, and my digital rip of the CD I own seems to be corrupted on its later tracks.

The full score is on BSX's first Basil Poledouris Collection volume (also on digital/streaming), though I haven't gotten to it yet.



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> Looking forward to this! You have a lot of gems to discover.

Thanks! I've already given cursory samples to some future titles and... wow.

> OOOOOF! That feels a bit of a harsh. For me the seafaring attitude and the
> toggling between the intimate and the epic (at least in the finale) is
> more than enough to a secure a 4.5/5 rating.

I would be willing to go that high if there was a compilation of highlights from the score, though as a whole it remains a high 3.5/5 for me.

> I didn't recall those tracks bothering me - it's entirely possible I've
> been programming them out in the decade or so I've owned the CD - so I
> went down and found the liner notes.

+1 for physical media: being able to check the liner notes.

> Crumpled Car is not a Poledouris piece but rather a song by one of
> the screenwriters. I'd argue even the film edit should've been in the
> bonus section.

Ah, OK. It does feel like a bonus track... umm, track... that got stuck within the main program. That said, I'm guessing that's where it appears within the film, so it kinda makes sense... but then there's no other songs outside of the end credit one... ugh, anyway.

> Preparation March was deliberately intended as an homage to Jerry
> Fielding's music from The Wild Bunch.

That makes sense. I'm also not a huge fan of Fielding's Wild Bunch outside of the film, so I guess my reaction tracks. tongue

> Liquid Dreams is source music for the film-within-a-film surf movie
> the characters go watch. It's by Basil, but it should've been in the bonus
> section too. FSM seemed to go back and forth on whether to program this
> kind of stuff at the end; their release of The Great Santini has
> similar sequencing issues.

Yeah, that definitely should have been put in the bonus section. It's completely at odds with everything else in the main score and feels so jarring when listening to the album.

> Probably agree with your opinion based on its presentation on that earlier
> album - either low 4/5 or high 3.5/5. It's been a while since I've heard
> this one, and my digital rip of the CD I own seems to be corrupted on its
> later tracks.

Ugh, that's unfortunate about the CD rip. Obviously I'd recommend giving it another go when you can.

> The full score is on BSX's first Basil Poledouris Collection volume (also
> on digital/streaming), though I haven't gotten to it yet.

Two things:

1) Are those the original recordings or re-recordings?
2) I'm kinda iffy on using anything BSX thanks to their founder/owners contestable existence.


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> 1) Are those the original recordings or re-recordings?

There are some new recordings on there, but A Whale for the Killing is the original recording, and the album also debuted the original recordings for some 1980s IMAX films he worked on.



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> my digital rip of the CD I own seems to be corrupted on its
> later tracks.

oh that sucks disapprove

I have had that happen with Intrada releases, usually I have to rerip with a different external drive.


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Terrific choice for a journey. I love Basil's stuff.

> Big Wednesday (1978)



I came to Poledouris from his big action scores - Conan, Starship Troopers, Robocop etc - so It took a while for Big Wednesday to grow on me, but now I love it. I think of it a bit like I think of Battle Beyond the Stars and James Horner... a young composer trying to find his romantic voice, but it is interesting to me how *quickly* he found his voice and how this score, and Blue Lagoon, and a couple of others, all have a similar vibe.

> Fire on the Mountain (1981)

Hey, I wrote the liner notes for the CD release of this album! God, that was a lifetime ago. I had to do it with zero context, never having seen the film, and with nothing beyond the style of the music and the track listings to go on. I was SO HARD trying to find positive, intelligent things to say about it. I liked the music well enough but, yeah, a minor effort.


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> Terrific choice for a journey. I love Basil's stuff.

Thanks, it was either Poledouris or Goldsmith after my Horner journey and several Scoreboarders picked Basil. smile

> I came to Poledouris from his big action scores - Conan, Starship
> Troopers, Robocop etc - so It took a while for Big Wednesday to grow on
> me, but now I love it. I think of it a bit like I think of Battle Beyond
> the Stars and James Horner... a young composer trying to find his romantic
> voice, but it is interesting to me how *quickly* he found his voice and
> how this score, and Blue Lagoon, and a couple of others, all have a
> similar vibe.

The comparison to Battle Beyond the Stars is appropriate in how, as you said, it's a young composer finding his voice but also so quickly finding what would become his sound. As I mentioned to Other Jon, if I were to make a suite or playlist of just the highlights from Wednesday it would be a near 5/5.

> Hey, I wrote the liner notes for the CD release of this album! God, that
> was a lifetime ago. I had to do it with zero context, never having seen
> the film, and with nothing beyond the style of the music and the track
> listings to go on. I was SO HARD trying to find positive, intelligent
> things to say about it. I liked the music well enough but, yeah, a minor
> effort.

Oh, that's so cool! And also sounds incredibly nerve wracking. I'm guessing they gave you a word count limit you had to meet for the linear notes?


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> Hey, I wrote the liner notes for the CD release of this album! God, that
> was a lifetime ago. I had to do it with zero context, never having seen
> the film, and with nothing beyond the style of the music and the track
> listings to go on. I was SO HARD trying to find positive, intelligent
> things to say about it. I liked the music well enough but, yeah, a minor
> effort.

That's actually really funny :P of all the Poledouris' you super love, having to write about a middling effort must've been challenging.

Makes me wonder though - how many linear notes have you written?


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> Makes me wonder though - how many linear notes have you written?

I think five or six in total. I did two Poledouris albums for Prometheus - the Flyer/Fire on the Mountain double-header, and then Amanda - and then I did three or four for the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra's in-house label, some compilation albums of British film music, and then a Debbie Wiseman compilation. I don't even remember the correct full names of those albums. I think they came out in, like, 1999 or 2000.

I would love to do more of it, honestly, but have just never been asked.

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> Intro:

> Well, after finishing my James Horner journey of exploring his lesser
> discussed works last year... I'm finally getting around to tackling Basil
> Poledouris like I promised, many... many, months ago. tongue As I'm sure
> others on the Scoreboard can sympathize with, I've mostly only heard The
> Big Titles from Poledouris (Conan 1 & 2, Starship
> Troopers
, Robocop, The Hunt for Red October, Flesh +
> Blood
, Les Miserables (1998, The Blue Lagoon) ) which
> I've been meaning to expand upon for years but either never put aside the
> time or couldn't find many on YouTube. Thankfully, there's now several
> titles on YouTube legitimately (and some not... which I still used. Shhh!)
> so the timing seemed right to finally dig into the mans larger catalogue
> of works.

> A few housekeeping things to address first, though. Poledouris did a lot
> of work for intentional films and TV before gaining mainstream Hollywood
> attention, of which I will not be covering any of those earliest
> endeavors. Instead this journey will start with Big Wednesday
> (1978) and continue til his final scores. I did listen to a Jaws
> knockoff he scored, Tintorora (1977), and it's nigh unlistenable
> for most of the runtime. Likewise I'll be skipping over scores I've
> already heard on this quest which mostly means the Big Names I mentioned
> earlier. That said, there's some sequel scores to films I've already
> seen/heard that will be covered so... there's that. Oh, and finally...
> there is no set schedule for this. I'm *hoping* to get a new installment
> out each week (3 scores covered in each), but I make no promises. This
> will be finished by the end of the year, though!! tongue

> Alright, now with all of that out of the way how about we begin, shall we?

> -------------------

> Big Wednesday (1978)



> A “coming of age buddy sports comedy-drama” (according to Wikipedia) about
> a trio of friends dealing with life and the Vietnam War in the 1960’s
> while also connecting through their love of surfing, Big Wednesday
> was a massive passion project for director/co-writer John Milius (The
> Wind and the Lion
, Conan the Barbarian, Red Dawn) that
> proved to be a box office disaster. Rather savagely torn apart by critics
> at the time, the film seems to have been largely forgotten by most outside
> of a minor footnote in Milius’ career… and also the mainstream jumping off
> point for a young composer friend of the director named Basil
> Poledouris.



> Musically Big Wednesday is a drama score very much in the style of
> Jerry Goldsmith or John Barry from the time with two central themes
> anchoring everything (both presented in the opening track) with the
> primary theme turned into the wistful folk song “Only Good Times
> for the end credits. Within Poledouris’s career, this is less overtly
> romantic than The Blue Lagoon yet at times not too far away from
> what he would write a decade later for Lonesome Dove… minus the
> more overt Western mannerisms. The end result is a highly amiable score
> that is occasionally interrupted by more intense passages, particularly in
> the final third for the “big wave” sequences including a sub-theme fanfare
> in “The Challenge/Big Wednesday Montage” that is apparently lifted
> from whatever Classical piece Horner used for the Main theme in
> Krull (1983). On a slightly less positive note is a few cues that
> feel jarringly out of place on the album though probably fit whatever
> scene within the film just fine, namely the militaristic percussion cue
> “Preparation March”, the funky Rock infused “Liquid Dreams
> and the darkly comedic song “Crumpled Car”. 



> Despite the above mentioned issues, Big Wednesday largely works as
> a wistful character drama score that contains plenty of small moments that
> foreshadow Poledouris’s future scoring triumphs. Apparently the only album
> available is an early FSM release, which is what I used on YouTube, that
> contains the whole score plus songs and several alternate takes. The sound
> quality is decent though very “vintage”, so listener beware. Overall I’d
> recommend giving Big Wednesday a listen if one is a fan of the
> composer and would like to hear his first Hollywood effort… though I’m not
> sure it’s good enough to warrant tracking down the OOP CD on the
> secondhand market. 



> SCORE:

> 3 1/2 out of 5

> 

———————



> Fire on the Mountain (1981)

> 

And here’s the first entry in this journey that has a
> pathetically minimal Wikipedia entry. Fire on the Mountain (not to
> be confused with the 90’s Sci-Fi/psychological thriller Fire in the
> Sky
) is a TV film that’s based on the 1962 novel of the same name by
> Edward Abbey about a New Mexico rancher who fights back against the United
> States Air Force when his land is going to be seized for making a new
> bombing range. Directed by Donald Wrye (who made a career out of TV movies
> and apparently a feature film about ice skating called Ice Castles)
> and starring Buddy Ebsen and Ron (Ronny) Howard, the film aired on NBC in
> Nov. 1981 and was apparently nominated (but did not win) an Emmy for
> “Outstanding Sound Editing”. 



> That’s nice and all… but what about the score?



> Well, the score is very short at about 20 minutes or so with Poledouris
> largely taking an introspective drama approach with minor Western
> trappings, most notably in the opening track “The Ride” which also
> introduces the Main Theme. As one might imagine, Fire… plays out
> like an early run for the composer’s later Lonesome Dove with a
> dash of the tonal melancholy of Big Wednesday thrown in for good
> measure. This is a largely “theme and variation” endeavor which Poledouris
> does what he can with but it ultimately comes off as frustratingly
> repetitive. There’s only so much a man can do with a melancholic theme in
> an intrinsically melancholic film. 

That said, Poledouris’
> orchestrations are rather nice mixing a (very) small ensemble with
> woodwind, violin, harp and acoustic guitar solos that gives the work a bit
> more body and sonic variety.

> That said, this is probably a one-off for most people though I’d still
> give it a minor recommendation simply for the lovely theme and hearing
> Poledouris toying with styles he’d perfect in later projects.
> 



> SCORE:
> 
2 1/2 out of 5

> 

———————


> 
A Whale for the Killing (1981)


> 
With a title like that, it’s either based on a book (probably
> Hemingway) or some real-life event. In this case, it’s a bit of
> both.



> Loosely based on a true story told by environmentalist Farley Mowat in a
> 1972 book of the same name, the film tells the tale of a female humpback
> whale that is stranded, hunted and tortured by a fisherman off the coast
> of Newfoundland while a visitor tries to save the marine mammals life.
> Partly shot on location and featuring a top tier production including
> director Richard T. Heffron (The Rockford Files, North &
> South
(1985 only), Futureworld), screenwriter Lionel Chetwynd
> (The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz) and starring Peter Strauss,
> Dee Wallace and Richard Widmark (guess who plays the fisherman?), the film
> received two Emmy nominations and was apparently well received. I must
> admit out of the production credits the one thing that caught my attention
> and that I find probably far too funny is that this whole endeavor was
> funded by… Hugh Hefner under his Playboy Productions label.

> 

Musically, this is far more inline with Poledouris’ feature
> film work combining orchestra and synthesizers to craft a romantically
> charged adventure-drama score. The opening track (“Main Title”)
> immediately sets the stage with a rolling primary theme on strings with a
> pulsing synth motif as counterpoint which is given a far more intense and
> darker variation in the following “The Whalers” with tolling chimes
> for added dramatic emphasis and a brief minor key four-note motif at the
> end. The rest of the score follows these two themes while Poledouris
> crafts a far more nuanced soundscape mixing the romanticism of Blue
> Lagoon
with the weightier dramatic writing that would come to define
> Conan and Flesh + Blood including the Medieval-esque chord
> progressions (look no further than “Cease Fire Shanty” which could
> easily be from F+B). While the ensemble Poledouris is working with is
> clearly still limited in size (some of the percussion is trying their
> best, but woefully inadequate), the sheer scope of what the composer is
> attempting to get across is far beyond the small scale Fire on the
> Mountain
and feels truly “cinematic”.

> 

Outside of the limited abilities of the ensemble and some
> dated synth effects, A Whale for the Killing is a surprisingly good
> offering from Poledouris that I feel more people should experience.
> Admittedly this is coming from someone who is just now starting to dig
> into the mans catalogue outside of the “big titles”, but this really is a
> great score that clearly has early murmurings of Conan in its DNA.
> If the idea of “seafaring music that combines Conan with Blue
> Lagoon
” doesn’t get your blood up, I honestly don’t know what to say
> to you. As I write this I also realize maybe this actually a much loved
> Poledouris score amongst fans that’s considered a “deep cut”… heck, I
> apparently misspoke in my James Horner Journey about Red Heat being
> a forgotten film. 


> 
Anyway, the score for Whale for a Killing is attached as a
> “bonus” to the album featuring the score to the 1992 film Wind
> (which I’ll get to later in this series) and is well worth checking out.
> Seems to be available on all major streaming platforms, so there’s no
> reason not to.


> 
SCORE:
> 
4/5

Awesome. A couple years back I decided to digger deeper into some of Poledouris' music, since Like you I was primarily familiar with only his bigger assignments. Although not as extensive as your journey, it was enough to bump him into my top 10 favorite film score composers. I certainly discovered a lot of jems during that period, and I look forward to reading your thoughts on some of them later on in this journey.

I can't say I'm familiar with the 3 scores above, but I enjoyed reading your reviews about them.


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> Awesome. A couple years back I decided to digger deeper into some of
> Poledouris' music, since Like you I was primarily familiar with only his
> bigger assignments. Although not as extensive as your journey, it was
> enough to bump him into my top 10 favorite film score composers. I
> certainly discovered a lot of jems during that period, and I look forward
> to reading your thoughts on some of them later on in this journey.

> I can't say I'm familiar with the 3 scores above, but I enjoyed reading
> your reviews about them.

Glad you enjoyed the first installment. There's a good possibility Poledouris might also end up in my Top 10 composers if some of samples of future titles prove to be indicative of their entire scores...


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This is great. I am really looking forward tot his journey. I'm in the same boat, having heard a lot of his big scores and really loving them, but never diving much further than that. Can't wait to see what you discover!


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> Intro:

> Well, after finishing my James Horner journey of exploring his lesser
> discussed works last year... I'm finally getting around to tackling Basil
> Poledouris like I promised, many... many, months ago. tongue As I'm sure
> others on the Scoreboard can sympathize with, I've mostly only heard The
> Big Titles from Poledouris (Conan 1 & 2, Starship
> Troopers
, Robocop, The Hunt for Red October, Flesh +
> Blood
, Les Miserables (1998, The Blue Lagoon) ) which
> I've been meaning to expand upon for years but either never put aside the
> time or couldn't find many on YouTube. Thankfully, there's now several
> titles on YouTube legitimately (and some not... which I still used. Shhh!)
> so the timing seemed right to finally dig into the mans larger catalogue
> of works.

> A few housekeeping things to address first, though. Poledouris did a lot
> of work for intentional films and TV before gaining mainstream Hollywood
> attention, of which I will not be covering any of those earliest
> endeavors. Instead this journey will start with Big Wednesday
> (1978) and continue til his final scores. I did listen to a Jaws
> knockoff he scored, Tintorora (1977), and it's nigh unlistenable
> for most of the runtime. Likewise I'll be skipping over scores I've
> already heard on this quest which mostly means the Big Names I mentioned
> earlier. That said, there's some sequel scores to films I've already
> seen/heard that will be covered so... there's that. Oh, and finally...
> there is no set schedule for this. I'm *hoping* to get a new installment
> out each week (3 scores covered in each), but I make no promises. This
> will be finished by the end of the year, though!! tongue

> Alright, now with all of that out of the way how about we begin, shall we?

Awesome! He's one of my favourite late-life-find composers - someone I knew of for decades and kinda sorta liked some works, but never fully appreciated his insane brilliance until a few years ago. This will be fun1

> -------------------

> Big Wednesday (1978)



> A “coming of age buddy sports comedy-drama” (according to Wikipedia) about
> a trio of friends dealing with life and the Vietnam War in the 1960’s
> while also connecting through their love of surfing, Big Wednesday
> was a massive passion project for director/co-writer John Milius (The
> Wind and the Lion
, Conan the Barbarian, Red Dawn) that
> proved to be a box office disaster. Rather savagely torn apart by critics
> at the time, the film seems to have been largely forgotten by most outside
> of a minor footnote in Milius’ career… and also the mainstream jumping off
> point for a young composer friend of the director named Basil
> Poledouris.



> Musically Big Wednesday is a drama score very much in the style of
> Jerry Goldsmith or John Barry from the time with two central themes
> anchoring everything (both presented in the opening track) with the
> primary theme turned into the wistful folk song “Only Good Times
> for the end credits. Within Poledouris’s career, this is less overtly
> romantic than The Blue Lagoon yet at times not too far away from
> what he would write a decade later for Lonesome Dove… minus the
> more overt Western mannerisms. The end result is a highly amiable score
> that is occasionally interrupted by more intense passages, particularly in
> the final third for the “big wave” sequences including a sub-theme fanfare
> in “The Challenge/Big Wednesday Montage” that is apparently lifted
> from whatever Classical piece Horner used for the Main theme in
> Krull (1983). On a slightly less positive note is a few cues that
> feel jarringly out of place on the album though probably fit whatever
> scene within the film just fine, namely the militaristic percussion cue
> “Preparation March”, the funky Rock infused “Liquid Dreams
> and the darkly comedic song “Crumpled Car”. 



> Despite the above mentioned issues, Big Wednesday largely works as
> a wistful character drama score that contains plenty of small moments that
> foreshadow Poledouris’s future scoring triumphs. Apparently the only album
> available is an early FSM release, which is what I used on YouTube, that
> contains the whole score plus songs and several alternate takes. The sound
> quality is decent though very “vintage”, so listener beware. Overall I’d
> recommend giving Big Wednesday a listen if one is a fan of the
> composer and would like to hear his first Hollywood effort… though I’m not
> sure it’s good enough to warrant tracking down the OOP CD on the
> secondhand market. 



> SCORE:

> 3 1/2 out of 5

Hmmm...don't think I've heard this, but sounds solid!
> 

———————



> Fire on the Mountain (1981)

> 

And here’s the first entry in this journey that has a
> pathetically minimal Wikipedia entry. Fire on the Mountain (not to
> be confused with the 90’s Sci-Fi/psychological thriller Fire in the
> Sky
) is a TV film that’s based on the 1962 novel of the same name by
> Edward Abbey about a New Mexico rancher who fights back against the United
> States Air Force when his land is going to be seized for making a new
> bombing range. Directed by Donald Wrye (who made a career out of TV movies
> and apparently a feature film about ice skating called Ice Castles)
> and starring Buddy Ebsen and Ron (Ronny) Howard, the film aired on NBC in
> Nov. 1981 and was apparently nominated (but did not win) an Emmy for
> “Outstanding Sound Editing”. 



> That’s nice and all… but what about the score?



> Well, the score is very short at about 20 minutes or so with Poledouris
> largely taking an introspective drama approach with minor Western
> trappings, most notably in the opening track “The Ride” which also
> introduces the Main Theme. As one might imagine, Fire… plays out
> like an early run for the composer’s later Lonesome Dove with a
> dash of the tonal melancholy of Big Wednesday thrown in for good
> measure. This is a largely “theme and variation” endeavor which Poledouris
> does what he can with but it ultimately comes off as frustratingly
> repetitive. There’s only so much a man can do with a melancholic theme in
> an intrinsically melancholic film. 

That said, Poledouris’
> orchestrations are rather nice mixing a (very) small ensemble with
> woodwind, violin, harp and acoustic guitar solos that gives the work a bit
> more body and sonic variety.

> That said, this is probably a one-off for most people though I’d still
> give it a minor recommendation simply for the lovely theme and hearing
> Poledouris toying with styles he’d perfect in later projects.
> 



> SCORE:
> 
2 1/2 out of 5

Yeah it's...fine haha
> 

———————


> 
A Whale for the Killing (1981)


> 
With a title like that, it’s either based on a book (probably
> Hemingway) or some real-life event. In this case, it’s a bit of
> both.



> Loosely based on a true story told by environmentalist Farley Mowat in a
> 1972 book of the same name, the film tells the tale of a female humpback
> whale that is stranded, hunted and tortured by a fisherman off the coast
> of Newfoundland while a visitor tries to save the marine mammals life.
> Partly shot on location and featuring a top tier production including
> director Richard T. Heffron (The Rockford Files, North &
> South
(1985 only), Futureworld), screenwriter Lionel Chetwynd
> (The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz) and starring Peter Strauss,
> Dee Wallace and Richard Widmark (guess who plays the fisherman?), the film
> received two Emmy nominations and was apparently well received. I must
> admit out of the production credits the one thing that caught my attention
> and that I find probably far too funny is that this whole endeavor was
> funded by… Hugh Hefner under his Playboy Productions label.

> 

Musically, this is far more inline with Poledouris’ feature
> film work combining orchestra and synthesizers to craft a romantically
> charged adventure-drama score. The opening track (“Main Title”)
> immediately sets the stage with a rolling primary theme on strings with a
> pulsing synth motif as counterpoint which is given a far more intense and
> darker variation in the following “The Whalers” with tolling chimes
> for added dramatic emphasis and a brief minor key four-note motif at the
> end. The rest of the score follows these two themes while Poledouris
> crafts a far more nuanced soundscape mixing the romanticism of Blue
> Lagoon
with the weightier dramatic writing that would come to define
> Conan and Flesh + Blood including the Medieval-esque chord
> progressions (look no further than “Cease Fire Shanty” which could
> easily be from F+B). While the ensemble Poledouris is working with is
> clearly still limited in size (some of the percussion is trying their
> best, but woefully inadequate), the sheer scope of what the composer is
> attempting to get across is far beyond the small scale Fire on the
> Mountain
and feels truly “cinematic”.

> 

Outside of the limited abilities of the ensemble and some
> dated synth effects, A Whale for the Killing is a surprisingly good
> offering from Poledouris that I feel more people should experience.
> Admittedly this is coming from someone who is just now starting to dig
> into the mans catalogue outside of the “big titles”, but this really is a
> great score that clearly has early murmurings of Conan in its DNA.
> If the idea of “seafaring music that combines Conan with Blue
> Lagoon
” doesn’t get your blood up, I honestly don’t know what to say
> to you. As I write this I also realize maybe this actually a much loved
> Poledouris score amongst fans that’s considered a “deep cut”… heck, I
> apparently misspoke in my James Horner Journey about Red Heat being
> a forgotten film. 


> 
Anyway, the score for Whale for a Killing is attached as a
> “bonus” to the album featuring the score to the 1992 film Wind
> (which I’ll get to later in this series) and is well worth checking out.
> Seems to be available on all major streaming platforms, so there’s no
> reason not to.


> 
SCORE:
> 
4/5

Damn good score!


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